Yes, Kodak is giving out 64t if you ask!

[Sparky]

Perhaps Kent or someone else could help me with this question though as I have no idea what it even means:

"How would you describe the responsiveness of the film to colour timing during the video transfer?"

Thanks,

Mark

[scott]

only a handful of completed questionnaires have been returned. Professional filmmakers evaluating new 16mm and 35mm films from Kodak have a much better rate of response.

I'm disappointed in those who only think of this test as a way to get "free" film for personal use.

Hopefully Kodak will keep a list of those who failed to return the questionaire and refuse them any test carts in the future. It is upsetting that those priveledged to receive a cart before anyone else were not considerate enough to fill out a questionaire.

Having beta tested a few games for Sony Playstation2, maybe Kodak should adopt similar requirements - non disclosure agreement, and a requirement to provide feedback or be excluded from future offers.

Just some off the cuff thoughts....

Scott

[etimh]

I think it would benefit Kodak to give out a ton of free test film (it's obviously there) and chances are, we'll like it enough to keep spending the money on it once it finally hits the shelves.

If they did go ahead and make a huge amount of this test film available while its still in the beta stage, I imagine that any griping and complaints about its poor performance might have multiplied accordingly.

But I agree that the folks who got them should have participated in good faith. scott's idea about a future "no test" list sounds appropriately authoritarian.

And after the "sensitometry" (?!) has been tweaked and the film is ready for distribution, Kodak should give everyone who wants it a free cart out of principle.

Tim

[flyingsquirrelsnake]

I suppose I should comment that I haven't been able to shoot mine yet, with work and a combination of bad weather on days off. Michigan isn't the most predictable state in terms of clouds... especially on the lake!

[ccortez]

a free cart out of principle.

And which principle would that be exactly?

[ccortez]

I suppose I should comment that I haven't been able to shoot mine yet, with work and a combination of bad weather on days off. Michigan isn't the most predictable state in terms of clouds... especially on the lake!

I wonder if many who received test carts recently simply haven't shot and processed them yet, thereby lacking the data to fill out the questionaire.

I would expect 16mm and (especially) 35mm to be used mostly by pros and serious amateurs, both of whom might shoot more often and have easier (more cost-justifiable) access to processing.

Hopefully the S8 community will get those questionaires in to Kodak and prove not to be deadbeats. :roll:

[timdrage]

Professional filmmakers evaluating new 16mm and 35mm films from Kodak have a much better rate of response.

Uh, maybe that's because they are... professional!

Super-8 enthusiasts may or may not be pro filmmakers... if it's more of a hobby then they're not neccessarily going to be able to get it shot, telecine'd etc so soon as someone who's shooting 16mm every day... Don't be too harsh on people!

[mattias]

if it's more of a hobby then they're not neccessarily going to be able to get it shot

then why request a test cart? because it's free is probably the correct answer, which is hardly the noblest of reasons even though i understand it.

/matt

[Sparky]

Surely the main reasons would be because it is new, and offered as a replacement to K40 and by definition unknown?

Mark

Oh and I forgot- you can't get it in the shops yet so what choice have you got?

PS does anyone know what colour has to do with timing?

[Uppsala BildTeknik]

Hey Sparky, now that you can project the 64T again, does it seem as blue-tinted as the transfer? The chopped-up-and-spliced reel must be really good for evaluating the colors by projecting the reel.

Someone with a test cart left should shoot the same scenes with both the correct filter and with the built in filter in the camera. To judge how big the difference is in color, would be very interesting for those who want to project the film. For telecine I think color correction in post can take care of the small blueish tint.

EDIT: "How would you describe the responsiveness of the film to colour timing during the video transfer?" Color timing? If they asked for responsiveness to colour correction I would understand the question, but color timing?

Anyway, I didn´t play with it and try to colour correct it and stuff, I just gave it a quick onelight transfer... :?

[mattias]

Surely the main reasons would be because it is new, and offered as a replacement to K40 and by definition unknown?

but you're testing it for kodak, not yourself (although if there was no curiosity of course very few would volunteer). anything else is a misunderstanding.

once it's released i'm sure kodak will keep giving out test rolls to people wishing to evaluate it for projects, no strings attached, just as they've always done.

/matt

[Sparky]

Well with K40 gone, and as an amateur who likes projecting, I think I was testing it for myself as well! And I didn't volunteer for anything- just asked for a test cart ;-)

Mark

[mattias]

I think I was testing it for myself as well!

of course. that's what i meant by curiosity, but that's not why they gave you the cart.

And I didn't volunteer for anything- just asked for a test cart ;-)

what's the difference? did you think they gave you a cart of a not yet released stock just to be nice or didn't you figure they wanted something back?

/matt

[Sparky]

Well I don't really care- I got what I wanted and will give them what they want- perhaps you can help me with the question I don't understand?

Mark

[mattias]

Well I don't really care- I got what I wanted and will give them what they want

i was never referring to you in particular. i just don't think it's cool to apply to a beta test program and then not report your results. happens to me all the time, both with my software and my films. i understand that the motivation behind signing up is often strictly personal, but people should look at it from the other point of view. why do manufacturers send free stuff to people? enjoy the goods as much as you want personally, but if you're not prepared to report your results in a timely manner you shouldn't apply.

/matt