Problem with capturing slightly OT

Post by **Bob2099** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:52 am

I'm sorry that my first post on this board is slightly off topic , but I think this might be a good place to ask. Here goes:
I recently decided to have my films transferred to minidv for editing in Adobe premiere. The tapes (fuji DVCassette) play back fine on my minidvcam (canon mvx100i) and they also show up in windows when connecting the device via firewire, but when I try to capture in premiere I get no image and the file I end up with is junk. Out of desperation I tried windows movie maker but it gives me the same problems. I have tried this on two different computers,using two different cables , same result each time
If anyone else has experienced this or thinks he or she has a solution, I'd love to hear it

thanks in advance,
Daan

Post by **Uppsala BildTeknik** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:06 am

Is the camera you are using PAL, and the settings on your computer for capturing NTSC? Or the other way around?

Post by **Bob2099** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:25 am

No, sorry I forgot to mention, everything's pal camera, setting, tape's been recorded on a pal camera. This question will probably show my technical ineptitude but here goes anyway: Could it be that I'm experiencing problems because it's been transferred using a 3ccd and I'm trying to capture using a 1ccd?

Post by **Uppsala BildTeknik** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:38 am

It could very well be that you are using a different camera than the one that recorded the tape. I think if you use the same camera the problem is solved. ;)

Post by **sunrise** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:40 am

The problem could also be that you have put a DVcam-tape in a minDV camera. DVcam tapes run faster than miniDV.

michael

Post by **tlatosmd** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:18 pm

Uppsala BildTeknik wrote:It could very well be that you are using a different camera than the one that recorded the tape. I think if you use the same camera the problem is solved. ;)

Don't you mean format Kent? There shouldn't be a problem if you record it with one miniDV cam and play it back on another miniDV cam.

You're using a 1 CCD cam Bob? Is it really a DV cam, or could it be a Hi8 camcorder? If it's the latter, it won't work.

Post by **Uppsala BildTeknik** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:43 pm

Nope, I mean different camera. It sounds weird and shouldnÃ‚Â´t happend, but it happend to me once. I recorded my brothers wedding a few months ago with my XL1S (wich is now for sale at http://www.tradera.com/auction/auction. ... d=17272376 , shipping internationally, hint, hint... The price is 14.100 SEK for the moment, it is a swedish auction site.) anyway I tried to transfer it to a computer on another Canon miniDV camera I have connected as a miniDV recorder (it is always connected). The image was a bit weird with some distortions, but with the XL1S it went just fine.

Weird, but it can apparently happend.

Post by BK » Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:58 pm

Daan,

Sounds like the firwire output on your camera is faulty. Try using a different camera to see if it captures ok on your computer.

Bill

Post by **Scotness** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:59 pm

1 ccd to 3ccd (or vice versa) will make no difference as at this stage the camera is just transferring a data stream -- the ccd's are out of it by now.

The DVcam tape won't work in a miniDV camera (unless it has a a DVcam setting) but I think your tape is just a miniDV one although called a DVCassette which could create confusion.

I'd check the camera settings - sometimes Premiere has problems if the audio sample rate coming out of the camera isn't the same as the audio sample rate in the project settings in Premiere - ideally they should be both 44.1KHz - but if for example the camera was 32 and Premiere 44.1 there could be problems.

Other wise there could be faults in the fire wire port on the camera or PC - or even the cable

Hope that helps

Scot

Post by **mattias** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:21 pm

tlatosmd wrote:There shouldn't be a problem if you record it with one miniDV cam and play it back on another miniDV cam.

as a matter of fact there often is, as kent points out. however if you actually read what bob/daan writes ;-) you'll see that the tape plays back fine, just not into the computer. my guess is still that the capture settings are off. could you post your exact settings perhaps?

/matt

Post by **Tom Ballard** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:45 pm

Could be the settings or it could be that you're using a different camera as a deck.

What release of Premiere are you using?

Have you verified that your capture card is Premiere compatible?

Are you able to capture ANY type of video with Premiere/Movie Maker, ie., Hi8, video cassette tape, etc.?

Tom Ballard

Post by **ccortez** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:08 pm

sunrise wrote:The problem could also be that you have put a DVcam-tape in a minDV camera. DVcam tapes run faster than miniDV.

thiis is the likely culprit i was going to suggest.

Post by **ccortez** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:10 pm

mattias wrote: you'll see that the tape plays back fine, just not into the computer.

haven't others in the past had this same experience? they could get the dvcam tape to play -- though somewhat irregularly -- using the minidv camcorder as a player, but they couldn't capture from it (or achieve consistent playback results either if they tried long enough)?

Post by **Bob2099** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:10 pm

Hey guys,
Thanks for all the replies.
It is a minidv tape, at least that's what's printed on the front. It works fine with a tape shot in the camera.
We tried two different camera's and three different computers with different versions of premiere installed with the same results.
The good news is we found a way around the problem by transfering the tape from one cam to another. Adobe seems to be able to capture the result of this.
Once again I thank you for all the help, and I'll try to post a clip when whe're done editing

Post by **studiocarter** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:20 pm

better late than never, but, here goes.

Look in file / movie capture / settings / preferences / device control / edit / dv device control options, device model & brand.

Is your camera listed there?

I bought a Premiere from the same age as my camera and the cam is listed. Premiere works the camera for me nicely. When this area is not set to my camera, no capture is possible!

Hope this helps.