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Making Sundance and other film festivals a REALITY

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Okay I have some really high dreams. One is to a film viewed a Sundance Film Festival before I turn 18 :wink: . I have a totally cool internship at a film and video production company they are true masters. One guy I work with has won an Emmy and an Indy! So they really know how to work professionally/creatively. I shared a film idea with them and they said they really liked it and they said they would help in any way (with equipment support, editing (Avid), and lighting so on and so forth) And I was told today I could use someone’s Nizo 6080 :lol: ! (I was/am using a Bell & Howell 670/XL) So I have great support but what are film festivals looking for especially Sundance? I know I have damn good story (its zany, original, fresh, and cool) but really there has to be more then a good story what is that special thing that makes or breaks a film :? ?

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-Alex Mason (teenage Super 8 junkie)
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why dont you just make a film that you like instead of spectulating what others want to see? if you end up with a movie that you're truely happy with, that's worth a lot more than adward at sundance.
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Well I swear that what I make is what I want. Just a few tips would be great from some one who has been in a film festival. And any film that will ever come out of my brain and I make will be mine. I am set out to please me and every one who sees it, whats wrong with that? :x

Plus what good is a film if you don't share it with the world?

-Alex Mason (teenage Super 8 junkie)
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"I know I have damn good story (its zany, original, fresh, and cool) but really there has to be more then a good story what is that special thing that makes or breaks a film ?"

Festivals are generally looking for films that aren't geared specifically towards getting into festivals. You can always tell when someone has made a project for the right or wrong reasons - unfortunately a lot of the stuff they accept at major festivals has a very distinct feel which stems from certain subject matter and aesthetic choices which they tend to prefer.
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Well hell I think having a plan for a film is a good thing. Don't think for second that I’m just doing it to become famous/rich or anything like that. I am just trying to prove that teens aren’t a waste of space and we can be artists. My main goal is to make something that breaks boundaries (like the mainly adult indie circuit and letting teens views in) and sets the pace for teen indie filmmakers. OKAY. :x

-Alex Mason (teenage Super 8 junkie)
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Alex,
You are asking for advice and if you don't like the advice you are getting don't get angry. Glean what you can from it and wait to see what others have to say.

The responses you are getting are of a general nature and you might be looking for something specific, like do this or that, but there are no formulas and no easy answers. Echoing what Christoph said, "make the film you want to make and go from there." If it's well-done, original and from the heart, there's no better start. Figuring out what people actually want is almost impossible. Even the juries never know what they want until they see it.

As for getting that film into a festival (Sundance or otherwise) make sure you have good documentation: good still PR photos, good synopsis, well-packaged and labelled preview tapes, properly cued with lots of black before and after, and so on. And get the application in early - don't wait until the deadline when many of the program decisions have already been made. And if you are rejected, try more festivals.

Good luck.
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Well I read the first couple of lines and I think that it is a great book for teens that have little to no views on indie films just a bunch crap. It teaches the basics pretty well and lines out how a film should be made. But it said “use digital camera” I am very much a film person. It’s really sad that film was not even mentioned.

I think that you all have forgotten that I have viewed millions of true indie films and have worked with professional film/video people. I think the book is great for a curious teen. (But don’t think I am some short of expert but I know more then this book can provide.)

-Alex Mason (teenage Super 8 junkie)
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Hmm, I think someone has already paved the way for teens in indie films. I don't want to form any ideas in your head or have you copy this but there is the movie Thirteen.

Anyways, here's the best advice I can give you. Ya you have some high hopes, some ideas and equipment but think for a second how far really you can go and just how much you can do skill wise. It might look good, it might be bad. Just try to exceed it.

Now with regards about film festivals and this other junk and Sundance, just stop thinking about them in general. Really, who cares. Now go out and start making and failing and exceeding. And just keep on making and producing and learning. Sure, you got a great idea now but a year ago I had a great idea for a short and now a year later the technical and narrative skills in just a short year have made a massive leap. You need to learn how to take criticism, as you have stated, you are an artist and thats what you get in art.

Finally, when you start to really feel strong about a project and have produced it and shown it to an audience you can trust etc. then start thinking about festivals and all. Leave some money in the budget for them for they can cost a lot of money, and you could waste a ton of money trying to get your first film in a festival. If you really think you got a great story and can screenwrite I would suggest just entering the script into a competition. I've done it and have some wins and some loses but still cheaper and easier to produce than a whole movie.
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Well is all I really have to say to that is: You guys I really respect you but I don’t understand is, here I am telling you that I am going to support a dieing film and I really want to make a excellent film. But what most of you have said that I’m fame struck or I don’t have a chance in hell. Give me a break you would think you would support the future of Super 8. And all I wanted to know is, what happens after production (film festival and other stuff) And what is it wrong wanting to go to Sundance?

-Alex Mason
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I was young and had dreams once. Now I'm just old and I can't sleep.
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Alex -

If you are serious about becoming an independent filmmaker and breaking out into the big time, look up the "Guerilla Film Makers Handbook" by Genevieve Jolliffe and Chris Jones. At 720 pages it covers a lot more than film stocks and favorite cameras. Scriptwriting, casting, agents, costumers, unions, permits, caterers, rental companies, post production, special effects, stunts, publicity, and lots and lots of cash are what go into a film.

There are dozens of festivals in the USA every year, with hundreds of entries for any of the larger ones. So if you don't make it into Sundance on your first try, try the next on on the list, perhaps Tribeca, or Rutgers, or Flicker, or one of the Euro festivals.

"...but really there has to be more then a good story what is that special thing that makes or breaks a film"

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Film festival acceptances are difficult to gauge. That's why so many people refer to film festivals as crapshoots. While there is obviously a certain level of artistry in most shorts accepted into big name festivals, there's always an aspect of chance, which makes it seem capricious, especially when Sundance only accepts 50 some odd american narrative shorts a year. What separates the 50 accepted from the other 50 worthy films that barely missed out? The point is that there's no magic bullet. You can't try to make a trendy film and hope it gets into sundance. That's why the Tarantino rip off has become a mini-genre.

In terms of logistics, getting into a festival, any festival, (besides the fact that story is probably most important, followed by acting), it's best to follow the advice people have given about organized submissions. This doesn't mean that your DVD screeners have to look like DVDs you'd by at Amazon, with fancy artwork. Just make sure they're clearly and professionally labelled. Also, submit to festivals early. Acceptance committees get bogged down near the late submission and notification deadlines, and you'll get a more 'fair' view if you submit early when they're less stressed.

Also, don't forget about sound design. Some people brush it off, but it's something that you can control that will make your film better and increase your chances. Also, make sure your editing is crisp and professional. Good editing is something subtle in postproduction that can help you film be received more seriously.

Also, familiarize yourself with the reputations that festivals have. Look at the rosters and synopses of films accepted. New York Underground Film festival accepts different films than Tribeca than Sundance than South By Southwest than Cinematexas. This isn't something to do at the script stage, but after your film is completed, make sure you're not wasting your money on festivals that aren't geared towards your film. Also, people pursue different strategies with their shorts. Some try to build up acceptances and awards at small fests to get more cred when they enter into larger fests (if your film wins a bunch of awards at second and third teir fests, it may get a better, more serious look at the big oness). Others try to submit to the big ones first, maintaining premeire status and hoping that they'll get in and then have others knocking on their door. With sundance it might help to have premiere status. Another consideration with sundance is that films shot on 35mm have a higher acceptance rate. Does this mean that they take films shot on 35mm more seriously than films on DV? Not sure. It's probably just a corollary. If you have the time and money to shoot 35mm, there's a better chance you've put time and consideration into the script, acting, cinematography and didn't just wing something with your friends and dog. It's an interesting statistic.

Keep in mind that Sundance is not a golden ticket. People (most people) go to sundance every year with shorts and don't get anything tangible out of it (agent, feature deal, commercial directing). That's why so many people have told you to forget about sundance. It's not that they're trying to kill your dream. It's just that you can't control getting into Sundance by dreaming about the mythical Sundance. You have to make the films you're compelled to make, learn from your mistakes, progress, and be realistic about what film festivals like sundance can and can't do for your career. That's not to say that you shouldn't do everything in your power to push the odds in your favor, but you'll be swinging at windmills if you just focus on what Sundance wants and not what works in your film. I'm sure they get a zillion films a year trying to rip off the latest trend, whether it's memento, tarantino, or the fat white guy doc expose.

Finally, check out http://www.withoutabox.com. They make submissions easier, and you can learn a lot about the process on their forums.
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My observation is that breakthrough projects are of an edgy nature. In it's day, Sex Lies & Videotape was that movie when people were first going nuts about taping themselves with camcorders. Right now Hustle and Flow is topical and edgy in the rap and urban culture milieau. They both were festival darlings.

Topical and edgy. Go make your movie and post a link here so we can stream it and celebrate another 8mm project. Rock on.
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film_idaho wrote:I am set out to please me and every one who sees it, whats wrong with that? :x
the problem is that you'll never please every one that sees it, and the more you try the less it will be unique.
it's a great gift if you manage to make a film that you are truely happy with yourself, and if some other people enjoy it just as much as you do it's just a bonus.

trying to become famous and show the world how good and professional you are is never a good motivation - trying to show the world what you see and how you feel about it is!... if they understand it or not isnt within your power though.
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