Nice Camera on Ebay

[ccortez]

Find a forum about politics if you want to talk about politics.

you're no fun.

[etimh]

sooper8fan wrote:

Find a forum about politics if you want to talk about politics

Hey "fan,"

You're not the boss of me. :twisted:

Go stick your dick in your camera while our civil rights are stripped.

Wake up, dude.

Tim

[sooper8fan]

etimh wrote:

Go stick your dick in your camera while our civil rights are stripped.

Wake up, dude.

Or if you prefer, you can take your ass to live in another country where you don't have nearly as many right as we have in America.

Be thankful, dude.

And I'd appreciate it if you didn't talk about my dick. I don't go around talking about your pussy.

[sooper8fan]

I come here to take a break from all the crap going on in the world and talk about what I enjoy....film and filmmaking, cameras, techniques, tricks. If I wanted wimper about politics I'd find someplace else to do it and you should to.

[etimh]

sooper8fan wrote:

And I'd appreciate it if you didn't talk about my dick. I don't go around talking about your pussy.

And a chauvinist as well, absolutely brilliant. Do you understand what this statement implies you ignorant redneck?

You say that you're "weapon of choice" is an R10? Some "weapon." Do you think these cameras are just fucking toys? There is no seperating art and politics, my friend, so there's no place to "take a break from all the crap going on in the world." Here, or anywhere else.

I entered this thread to make a simple comment on all of the bellyaching and to put the issue of posting an ebay item into some bigger perspective. You came back with your dictate that I should take it somewhere else. No way, man, I'm your worst nightmare. Get used to it.

Open your eyes to what's going on out here "in the world" and try putting that weapon of yours to some better use than its obviously been getting so far.

Fight the fucking power.

Tim

[etimh]

I will take this over to the "filmmaking" forum if necessary. Don't want to disrupt all of the "cinematography" discussion over here.

Tim

[sooper8fan]

wow, you're off the charts, hippie. And you're also way out of line here, which is too bad. I don't think Andreas started this site to discuss things like this but whatever.
Your whole last statement is so ridiculous. Do you even know me? Nope. Do you even care about me? Nope. Do you give a rat's ass what kind of camera I use? Nope. Am I a redneck? Not even close.
Why don't you go "fight the power" and tell me how it turns out buddy.

etimh wrote:

You say that you're "weapon of choice" is an R10? Some "weapon." Do you think these cameras are just fucking toys?

seriously....what the HELL are you talking about?

etimh wrote:

There is no seperating art and politics, my friend

don't ever call me your friend.

etimh wrote:

I'm your worst nightmare. Get used to it.

okay, I'm used to it. now what?

etimh wrote:

Open your eyes to what's going on out here "in the world" and try putting that weapon of yours to some better use than its obviously been getting so far.

and again I say, such a ridiculous statement. I'd take crap like this from a more respectable user of this forum, but not some psychotic art-fag hippie. I'm done dealing with this little bitch, he's obviously got some serious issues that he needs help with. I'm going to go back to using this forum for what it was intended for. Have a great week.

My apologies to Andreas for this whole thread.

[ccortez]

Since this is a useless thread anyway...

Or if you prefer, you can take your ass to live in another country where you don't have nearly as many right as we have in America.

I got your "rights" right here:

(have fun)

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John Roberts and Enemy Combatants

By CHRIS FLOYD

The United States long ago ceased to be anything like a living, thriving republic. But it retained the legal form of a republic, and that counted for something: as long as the legal form still existed, even as a gutted shell, there was hope it might be filled again one day with substance.

But now the very legal structures of the Republic are being dismantled. The principle of arbitrary rule by an autocratic leader is being openly established, through a series of unchallenged executive orders, perverse Justice Department rulings and court decisions by sycophantic judges who defer to power - not law - in their determinations. What we are witnessing is the creation of a "Commander-in-Chief State," where the form and pressure of law no longer apply to the president and his designated agents. The rights of individuals are no longer inalienable, nor are their persons inviolable; all depends on the good will of the Commander, the military autocrat.

George W. Bush has granted himself the power to declare anyone on earth - including any American citizen - an "enemy combatant," for any reason he sees fit. He can render them up to torture, he can imprison them for life, he can even have them killed, all without charges, with no burden of proof, no standards of evidence, no legislative oversight, no appeal, no judicial process whatsoever except those that he himself deigns to construct, with whatever limitations he cares to impose. Nor can he ever be prosecuted for any order he issues, however criminal; in the new American system laid out by Bush's legal minions, the Commander is sacrosanct, beyond the reach of any law or constitution.

This is not hyperbole. It is simply the reality of the United States today. The principle of unrestricted presidential power is now being codified into law and incorporated into the institutional structures of the state, as Deep Blade Journal reports in an excellent compendium of recent outrages against liberty.

For example, on July 15, a panel of federal appellate court judges upheld Bush's sovereign right to dispose of "enemy combatants" any way he pleases, the Washington Post reports. In a chilling decision, the judges ruled that the Commander's arbitrarily designated "enemies" are non-persons: neither the Geneva Conventions nor American military and domestic law apply to such garbage. Bush is now free to subject anyone he likes to the "military tribunal" system he has concocted - a brutal sham that some top retired military officials have denounced as a "kangaroo court" that will be used by tyrants around the world to "hide their oppression under U.S. precedent."

One of the kowtowing jurists on the appeals panel was none other than John G. Roberts. Four days after he affirmed Bush's autocratic powers, Roberts was duly awarded with a nomination to the Supreme Court. Now he will be sitting in final judgment on this case - and any other challenges to Bush's peremptory commands. This is what is known, in the tyrant trade, as "a safe pair of hands."

The ruling by Roberts and his fellow Republican jurists ignores the fact that the Geneva Conventions - which lay down strict guidelines for the handling of any person detained by military forces, regardless of the captive's status - have been incorporated into the U.S. legal code, as Deep Blade points out. They cannot be abrogated by presidential fiat. And anyone who commits a "grave breach" of the Conventions - by facilitating the killing, torture or inhuman treatment of detainees (e.g., stripping them of all legal status and subjecting them to rigged tribunals) - is subject to the death penalty under American law.

This is why the Bush Faction labored so mightily to advance the absurd fiction that the Geneva Conventions are somehow voluntary - while simultaneously promulgating the sinister Fuhrerprinzip of unlimited presidential authority. The fiction was a temporary sop to the crumbling legal form of the Republic, a cynical perversion of existing law to keep justice at bay until the Fuhrerprinzip could be firmly established as the new foundation of the state.

It doesn't matter anymore if the president's orders to suspend the Conventions, construct a worldwide gulag, torture captives, spy on Americans, fabricate intelligence and wage aggressive war are illegal under the "quaint" strictures of the old dispensation; the courts, packed with Bushist cadres, are now affirming the new order, the "critical authority" of the Commander, beyond law and morality, on the higher plane of what Bush calls "the path of action."

This phrase - with its remarkable Mussolinian echoes - was incorporated into the official "National Security Strategy of the United States," promulgated by Bush in September 2002. That document in turn was drawn largely from a manifesto issued in September 2000 by a Bush Faction group whose members included Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and Jeb Bush. Their plan, often detailed here, envisioned the transformation of America into a militarized state: planting "military footprints" throughout Central Asia and the Middle East, invading Iraq (even if Saddam Hussein was already gone), expanding the nuclear arsenal, massively increasing the defense budget - and predicating all these "revolutionary" changes on the hopes for "a new Pearl Harbor" that would "catalyze" the lazy American public into supporting the militarist agenda.

This agenda is designed, the group said, to establish "full spectrum dominance" over geopolitical affairs, assuring control of world energy resources and precluding the rise of "any potential global rival" that might threaten the unchecked wealth and privilege of the American elite. The rule of law could only be a hindrance to such a scheme; hence its replacement by the Fuhrerprinzip and the "path of action."

There has been virtually no institutional resistance to this open coup d'etat. It's now clear that the American Establishment - and a significant portion of the American people - have given up on the democratic experiment. They no longer wish to govern themselves; they want to be ruled, by "strong leaders" who will "do whatever it takes" to protect them from harm and keep them in clover. They have sold their golden birthright of American liberty for a mess of coward's pottage.

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Chris Floyd is a columnist for The Moscow Times and regular contributor to CounterPunch. "Empire Burlesque," his blog of political news and comment, can be found at http://www.empireburlesquenow.blogspot.

[tlatosmd]

Erm, Etimh and Sooper8fan, I'm afraid your use of language and general behaviour towards each other in this thread could be enough to get you banned on a lot of forums.

Whether we talk about politlics here or somewhere else or not at all is a completely different matter from what I'm trying to say, I'd only ask you to keep your posts civil, please.

[ccortez]

Whether we talk about politlics here or somewhere else or not at all is a completely different matter from what I'm trying to say, I'd only ask you to keep your posts civil, please.

Agreed. Add to that, name-calling is no way to combat ideas you're not comfortable with. It only makes you seem childish...

[mattias]

etimh wrote:

Go stick your dick in your camera while our civil rights are stripped.

Wake up, dude.

Or if you prefer, you can take your ass to live in another country where you don't have nearly as many right as we have in America.

Be thankful, dude.

come on, the right to complain as much as you want, or more, is one of the most important ones. it's not anti american or anti freedom to criticize america, it's the most american thing you can do. at least if you love america; i can see how my logic doesn't quite work on those who hate it. ;-)

if you're still looking for another country though, may i suggest most countries in western europe, all of them are pretty much as "free" as the u.s. and in many respects many of them even lightyears ahead (we can say fuck on tv and drink alcohol and have sex before our hair starts falling off for example. america actually has much more in common with the talibans in those areas) :-)

/matt

[reflex]

Or if you prefer, you can take your ass to live in another country where you don't have nearly as many right as we have in America.

A serious question for you, sooper8fan:

What rights do US citizens have that the rest of us, living in modern democratic states, don't have?

Off the top of my head, the right to bear arms is the only one that I can come up with -- and that one is a touch scary in practice.

[discs of tron]

well, we have the right to get abortions, for the next few weeks anyhow. we have the right to launch un-declared, preemptive wars against sovereign nations whose tyrannical dictators we armed in the first place. (well only a very few of us have the right to initiate these wars, but almost every adult has the right to fight in them- as long as they aren't gay.) and if you include multi-national corporations as "us citizens," which they are under the 14th amendment of our constitution, then we have a whole slew of rights that most people in the world probably can't even begin to imagine- we can employ child labor, murder union organizers, dump the world's most caustic toxins wherever we like, etc, etc.

let's see you enjoy that kind of freedom in your gay jewish artfag-ass canada, you foreign hippies.

[super8man]

You all are jealous that we have legalized gay marriage...yee haw!!! Oops, still waiting for royal assent.

[reflex]

let's see you enjoy that kind of freedom in your gay jewish artfag-ass canada, you foreign hippies.

Our secret plan is to goad you into nuking Quebec. The resulting fallout should turn most of the Eastern Seaboard into a nuclear wasteland populated by nothing but 3-headed ferile cats.