Leicina Super & Super RT-1 differences?

Post by **shralp** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 8:41 pm

Ok, Leicina owners out there, (and I know there are some diehard owners that lurk here...). Can anyone tell me the difference between the Super and Super RT-1, if any?

Tell me why this 8-64mm lens kicks ass.

Is your gate registration really that much more solid than other cams? Convince me...

Thanks for the info! -Eric

Post by **christoph** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 9:31 pm

hmm.. let me see (takes out his special and RT ;)

speed and controls are the same, the main difference is indeed the lens. on the RT, 8mm is not wide enough for a high end cam imo, but the reason why i hardly use it is the flimsy aperture control. the special has a full manual iris ring on the lens, gotta love that.

anybody needs an RT? ;)
++ christoph ++

Post by **reedsturtevant** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 9:36 pm

I've had each of these in the past and have a store dummy of the Super 8)

The Super RT-1 has backwind for dissolve, time exposure single frame, and 9, 18, 25 fps. Super has only 18 and 24 fps. Same lens. Both are compatible with the ST-1 controller (intervalometer, sync generator and battery box).

I got great images that seemed more contrasty and saturated than a Beaulieu 4008 8-64mm I used...but I don't think it is fair to compare single examples of 30 year old cameras against each other

Honestly don't remember the registration being better or worse than my other cameras.

P.S. I have manuals and brochures if anyone needs a scan

Post by **christoph** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 9:59 pm

doh, didn't read the original question properly.. and didn't know there is a super without RT ;)

my comparison was about the Super RT-1 and the Special (in case that wasn't clear from the reply above).
sorry for any confusion.
++ christoph ++

Post by **shralp** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:56 pm

Ok, so this poses another question. Glad this was brought to my attention via Christoph's post. I didn't realize that the Leicina Special and the Super/Super RT-1 were different cams. Now I have more questions.

So is the Special a vastly different cam than the Super/Super RT-1? What does the Special have for a lens as compared to the Super/Super RT-1? Sounds like the Special actually has f-stops on the lens barrel as well?

thanks for the info guys..

Post by **christoph** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:01 am

shralp wrote:So is the Special a vastly different cam than the Super/Super RT-1?

as said, the functions are basically the same (the body looks a bit different) the only difference is the lens, the Special having a 1.8/6-66 optivaron (a variant of the lens sometimes used on the beaulieus). and yes, it has a proper iris ring with f-stop marking like every decent cam should have ;)

++ christoph ++

Post by **Sparky** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:11 am

the Special having a 1.8/6-66 optivaron

or the cinegon 10mm prime- perhaps the most perfectly corrected super8 lens of all!! (OK- so they say ;-) ) It has a Leica m-mount so you can use other legendary lenses or find adapters to use lots of other 35mm lenses (I have been using a few Takumars with mixed results)

Mark

Post by **reedsturtevant** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:16 am

shralp wrote:What does the Special have for a lens as compared to the Super/Super RT-1?

The Special accepts lenses in Leica M-mount! From Leitz you could get a version of the Optivaron zoom (with or without Leicinamatic motorized aperture and power zoom) and a 10mm f1.8 Cinegon. They also made adapters for Leica R lenses, microscopes, and endoscopes 8O

EDIT: Sparky beat me to the answer

Post by **Taqi** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:34 am

If you post another photo like that I'm going to have to sell a kidney 8O

Post by **ccortez** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:56 am

Where the hell is Santo?

SAAAANNNNTTTTOOOOOO????????

Never has a leicina thread gone by w/o long-ass posts from Santo.

Santo? Falling out of love?

I bet he's sleeping with an older woman -- a 16mm Bolex? Probably a sleek SBM. Santo, are you fooling around with Lunar07's SBM? I know it's not an EBM... Santo may be a camera slut, but he's old fashioned and kind of sentimental.

Santo? Hello?

Post by **ccortez** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:57 am

Taqi wrote:If you post another photo like that I'm going to have to sell a kidney 8O

No joke. I have custom spam filters for porn like that. :evil:

Post by **tlatosmd** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:35 am

I think it was Santo who said the Super was made for film geeks while the Special was made for scientific purposes.

*proud owner of a soon to be sold working Special in mint condition with a large pile of accesories and extras*

Post by **shralp** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:12 am

Thanks for all the info guys. So my next question is:

How available are these Leica Specials out there in the used market and more importantly, how available are the nice M-mount lenses, M-mount to other lens adapters, and something like that Cinegon 10mm?

The Special has 18, 24, and 54 fps, yes?

Don't get me wrong, I love my Nizo Professional, and I'm trying to love my Beaulieu 4008, (its hasn't been easy), but if I could see what the Special is capable of with nice pieces of glass, a good gate, and being able to shoot slo mo as well, then damn....

Super nice shot by the way, Reed... Real Purdy!

Post by **tlatosmd** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:27 am

As for how available/valuable the Special with just one lens is, I'll present to you this: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... %3AIT&rd=1

Post by **shralp** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:08 am

hey tlatosmd,
Hmmm, looks nice. Wish I could read german. I can' even tell how much it is, when the auction ends, etc etc.

Any way to get on a german ebay site and get the english translation?

Thanks, -Eric

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