taking apart your 7008pro by beaulieu

Post by **Pedro** » Wed Jun 04, 2003 8:50 am

yes of course. The 200 ft mag ("SUPERDRIVE") is not a trivial thing like with 16 mm cameras that are designed for that.
The superdrive has a real central sprocket and a real pressure plate, just like any 16 mm camera. To drive the sprocket, you need a constant 1:1 connection to the main camera reel, only the friction for the standard cart is not sufficient. Furthermore, you need winding motors and controls for it.
Therefore a camera modification is neccessary (almost implemented in the 9008 models). The apply a constant 1:1 drive right in the centre of the friction, giving that cardrige drive a second mechanical function. The outer side is friction for standard carts, the inner hole is constant drive for the sprocket. Furthermore, they implement a new control board and connector to the camera for the winding motors of the mag, which are electrically connected and controlled by the camera body (foreward and backward). Last but not least, the collimation must be optimized for the mag, as it works with a real pressure plate. The film surface is really pressed to the gate of the camera and not just floating, like with standard carts.
After that conversion, the camera can be used with both types of film. The mag you insert into the camera just like a sound film cardrige. After taking it off, you can go on with standard 50 ft carts. You only must decide by yourself, if you would like the collimation be optimized to the 200 ft mag or to standard carts.
The mag can be used with pre-striped sound film stock (loop through the sound head area) or with silent stock. Full backwinding and all tricks are possible with the mag. Sound cameras with multispeed button can also do time laps and slow motion with sound film.

The conversion must be made at Bavaria Cine Home in Munich. The mag had been developed by Ritter/Germany and 5 years of development time had been neccessary to make it work perfectly. Therefore I donÃ‚Â´t believe, that one can simply take a R16 mag and make another superdrive DIY.

Pedro

Post by **ericMartinJarvies** » Wed Jun 04, 2003 9:28 am

pedro .... do you have a 9008? do you have a film mag like this one? what about those other film mags i always see on the old super8sound 7008 pro advertising articles? those seem like they are smaller, but single ear'd and problably more affordable?

Post by **Pedro** » Wed Jun 04, 2003 12:03 pm

Hi Eric, yes, I have a 9008 (but not for sale

). I have not bought yet a mag because I am happy with the small and handsome 50 ft carts and my cam works wonderful with them. The mag is rather heavy, it becomes dificult to control the camera without a stand. The camera/mag unit is very big and not really easy to carry with. 50 ft rolls I think are the ideal length to organize and edit - one roll = one topic. So it all depends on the application. If you want to shoot well planned feature or doc films according to an exact script, the mag is ideal. For taking the cam with you for tripps etc, it all becomes very heavy and big.
But I just had a mag at home for testing the handling.
I donÃ‚Â´t know several types of mags for Beaulieu, only this superdrive "SD-8", developed by Ritter. It takes 200 ft daylight rolls with straight S8 film. Kodak is supplying straight S8 film to Wittner and Bavaria, where the film is spooled on special made daylight reels. The daylight reels are cutted 16 mm daylight reels with a 8 mm centre piece. Development is included and Kodak develops the complete 200 ft reel and returns it to the customer. That is part of a special contract with Kodak.
Pedro

Post by **S8 Booster** » Wed Jun 04, 2003 12:37 pm

I shot quite many kodak 60m carts in the mid 90s and found no big advantage with them really. The cam became clumsy and batteries need to be of high quality and prefferably high power to ensure proper registration especially when the temp drops.

Personally I think the cam handiness (Handicam!?) with the 15m carts are preffereble. I would rather modify an "ammo belt/Jacket" with many S8 cartridges over 60m clumsy carts except for the following:

*Music Videos
*Documentaries
*Possibly "features"

The Ritter mag is even more clumsy.

In view of the price level of the Ritter mag the choice is easy an obvious

R

Post by **ericMartinJarvies** » Wed Jun 04, 2003 5:46 pm

in light of the information, looks like i will stick with the simple, easy, light, and fast method of shooting film with the 50' carts.

well, i am going to start working on my dolly and jib this week, as well as completing my mattebox modifications with video tap and lcd display. i need to purchase a really nice fluidhead, mic, and lights, then i am ready to shoot my film!! i am hoping to start principal filming in august.

currently, a new brad pitt movie is being made here in cabo san lucas called TROY and it is a farily massive scale movie, lots of extras. i am going to go to the place they are building all of the props and see if i can't talk someone out of some liquid plastic or liquid rubber or liquid foam,as i am sure they have tons of the stuff.

eric

Post by **shoot1st** » Thu Jun 05, 2003 11:30 pm

Eric, I'm a newbie to this painting business, but I have a couple of questions: What type of paint is it you use? I guess it can't be spirit-based otherwise it would have a bad effect on the plastic. Also, I have a couple of gouges to the bodywork of my 6008S. Is there a special filler I can use? Any help would be appreciated!

Post by **ericMartinJarvies** » Thu Jun 05, 2003 11:50 pm

hello,

when painting the plastic body on these cameras, you will want to do so using overspray methoed, which means your spray can or paint gun will not be too close to the camera itself, instead you will want it as far as possible, creating a big spray cloud so it stics to the body, instead of applies in thic sprays. if your paint it up close, it will paint a shinny effect, which you do not want, becasue it maes it smoth. you wnat to have some texture to the paint job, not too much, not too little. you can take some other plastic pieces and paint them first to experiment and get the process correct.

regarding filling in the plastic, you can use a resign or simply bondo, lie used on a car. the key will be when you sand it, make sure not to use to rough a guage ... no less then 100. use 100 to 600 grade, blac wet sand paper. you do not have ot use a spary gun, you cna use paint cans. what i find matches the original beaulieu gray paint is if you purchase a perl gray for paint gun, or a slight metallic gray for spray can.

regarding your gauges, if they are not into the plastic, just the paint, then you can problably just sand those out. if they are deep, use bondo or fiberglass resin with some hardner added to it so it dries / hardenes quicly, and hard.

would you take pictures of the entire process and post them here? thanks.

Post by **Ashesoftime** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:23 am

paulcotto wrote:I saved it as a web archive. That way the pictures and text are saved as one big file, not as links.

Paul Cotto

Paul,

Do you still have this file? I want to see the photos of the camera taken apart. Especially the trigger unit since I broke mine.

Thanks
Tirta

Post by **christoph** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:46 am

Ashesoftime wrote:Paul,
Do you still have this file? I want to see the photos of the camera taken apart.

yeah, the original photos seem to be offline :(
would be interesting to see the pics.
++ christoph ++

Post by **paulcotto** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:50 am

Here is a link for the instructions to take apart the 4008 series Beaulieu cameras by Eric Martin Jarvis. If Eric wants me to remove it just ask.

ftp://ftp.filmshooting.com/upload/servi ... _Apart.pdf

Regards,
Paul Cotto

Paul Cotto

Ashesoftime wrote:
paulcotto wrote:I saved it as a web archive. That way the pictures and text are saved as one big file, not as links.

Paul Cotto

Paul,

Do you still have this file? I want to see the photos of the camera taken apart. Especially the trigger unit since I broke mine.

Thanks
Tirta

Post by **paulcotto** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:45 am

Here is an adobe acrobat file of the web archive by Eric Martin Jarvis on how to disassemble the 7008 Beaulieu camera. All pictures and text are by him. If Eric wants it removed just let me know.

ftp://ftp.filmshooting.com/upload/servi ... Jarvis.pdf

Regards,

Paul Cotto

It pays to be a web sponge some times

Post by **Ashesoftime** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:16 am

Thank you very much Paul!

Post by **Basstruc** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:15 pm

Thanks Paul

Post by **paulcotto** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:27 pm

You are all welcome. Dont forget to thank Eric for the great post

Paul Cotto

Post by **youngarsenio** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:45 pm

[quote="paulcotto"]Here is a link for the instructions to take apart the 4008 series Beaulieu cameras by Eric Martin Jarvis. If Eric wants me to remove it just ask.

ftp://ftp.filmshooting.com/upload/servi ... _Apart.pdf

Regards,
Paul Cotto

i just bought a beaulieu 4008 and would love to check out the service manual for it, but when i click on the link it wont give me access.