I don't think you guys realise that the equipment for processing an E6 slide film in 35mm is very different from that to process cine film.
7dayhop or any other lab processing E6 slide film would not necessarily be in any position to process 64T in super 8 just because they have other machines using E6 chemistry.
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Just got my reply, I don't think it took as long to type as yours :roll:Sparky wrote:Just got this reply from dlab7- the processing side of 7dayshop:
Looks like it won't happen.I’m sorry we can’t help but the truth is our equipment simply isn’t geared up for cine film. The longest length we can take is 36 exposures of 35mm film. I realize there might be business potential there for a while, but for how long before cine users finally confine their cameras to the loft? Also the set-up costs of a laboratory would be massive.
Anyone care to try and convince them otherwise? Address to write to is sales@dlab7.com
Either my email reached the 'wrong' person or they really are not interested ](*,)Thank you for your email.
We can only process E6 and C41 ''still'' film. We cannot process cine film
Kind regards
I've tried contacting 7dayshop to see if they view it any different from thier side. I've also tried Jake at the widescreen centre as they have been quiet so far on this matter (nothing in the weekly newsletter). Will post if I get a reply.
Stevie
It's quite simple, 7dayshop cannot process cine film. Their machines cannot handle it at all whatsoever in any format or gague.
A different machine is required to process cine film. That would cost many thousands to purchase and install...I believe it's tens of thousands and the first figure ain't a "1" or "2".
I don't think it is at all fair to criticise 7dayshop here, they're simply not geared up to process cine film any more than they are to manufacture rubber tyres or sell life insurance.
As for the Widescreen Centre I am sure they will have a deal with Andec whereby you send your films to the WS and they arrange processing with the nice people in Berlin. However it is a surprise that their e-newsletter has no mention of this.
I know they mostly seem to care about the pros who are using neg film but this will affect their business. I can only assume the news has taken Jake and Tony as much by surprise as the rest of us...as it was the Widescreen Centre not long ago who were telling us 100D would be launched in super 8 this summer.
A different machine is required to process cine film. That would cost many thousands to purchase and install...I believe it's tens of thousands and the first figure ain't a "1" or "2".
I don't think it is at all fair to criticise 7dayshop here, they're simply not geared up to process cine film any more than they are to manufacture rubber tyres or sell life insurance.
As for the Widescreen Centre I am sure they will have a deal with Andec whereby you send your films to the WS and they arrange processing with the nice people in Berlin. However it is a surprise that their e-newsletter has no mention of this.
I know they mostly seem to care about the pros who are using neg film but this will affect their business. I can only assume the news has taken Jake and Tony as much by surprise as the rest of us...as it was the Widescreen Centre not long ago who were telling us 100D would be launched in super 8 this summer.
I didn't mean my post to sound like criticism of 7dayshop. I think they offer Super8 users a great deal on price. It was so refreshing to see a retailer entering into the market with cine film sales, that doesn't happen very often. I was just disappointed that my email to them (dlab7) received such a short and incomplete reply. I tried to show them that Kodak is commited to Super8 and that the Super8 community is thriving, not hanging up it's cameras. I also suggested they talk to the guys across a 7dayshop and see what the demand is for cine film. In short, I tried to address the points in the reply that sparky received.
When I put a bit of effort into an email and get a three line reply I know it's either got through to someone who isn't interested ( it was a generic email address) or what I've asked for isn't going to be forthcoming...or both.
Either way 7dayshop are great
let's hope they sell the new film.
Stevie
When I put a bit of effort into an email and get a three line reply I know it's either got through to someone who isn't interested ( it was a generic email address) or what I've asked for isn't going to be forthcoming...or both.
Either way 7dayshop are great
let's hope they sell the new film.Stevie
When someone replies to an email asking you to retire your cine camera to the loft they are showing neither support for your beloved Super8 nor concern. Talking about them being in support is an absurdity.
Splee wrote:I quite agree that there is nothing absurd about 7dayshop's answer. I think it is pretty obvious that they have built their business around a low-cost model, which requires volume sales and a guaranteed return on investment. Hence...they stock K40 because they can buy and sell enough of it to turn a profit, but do not stock the other Super 8 films because they sell in much smaller quantities, and therefore they can't negotiate suitable volume discounts from Kodak. And...35mm E6 processing is a sufficiently large volume business to be profitable, but setting up for E6 Super 8 does not fit in with a high-volume, low-cost model.Lunar07 wrote:The absurd is in telling someone to get their cameras and retire them to the loft.
It is simply none of their business. Thus follows the absurd reply below.
mattias wrote: why is that an absurd answer? if their machine can't take anything longer than that what is he supposed to say? tell a lie to keep this forum happy? that hardly changes the capacity of their machine, does it?
/matt
And yes, 7dayshop do support Super 8. The very fact that (a) they sell any Super 8 film at all, and (b) do so at the UK's lowest price, and (c) sell spools, splicers etc, years after others pulled out of the market, is testament to that.
So don't diss them. As the vast majority of UK posters on this board will testify, they're a great operation that keeps us supplied with some excellent bargains.
Lee
Well put. 7dayshop are a discount photo product retailer, and dlab7 are a discount film processing operation - albeit a particularly good one. It's not part of their business model to process a minority-interest film, that will require heavy investment for a questionable return.Angus wrote:I don't think it is at all fair to criticise 7dayshop here, they're simply not geared up to process cine film any more than they are to manufacture rubber tyres or sell life insurance.
As for the Widescreen Centre I am sure they will have a deal with Andec whereby you send your films to the WS and they arrange processing with the nice people in Berlin. However it is a surprise that their e-newsletter has no mention of this.
Personally I now avoid the Widescreen Centre - they were helpful when I first started shooting Super 8, but are woefully overpriced for a lot of things. Andec have done a great job with all my mono S8 and R8 films, and I'll happily send my E64T to them as well. Dealing direct with them is substantially cheaper than going via Widescreen.
Lee
You guys are missing the point. My comment is not on whether they can or can not process cine E6. It is their email reply wishing that cine cameras be retired to the loft. Thus my 'absurd' reply that is SARCASTIC - WELL, process my Super8 roll 36 frames at a time :-D
This was supposed to be SARCASTIC!
This was supposed to be SARCASTIC!
Angus wrote:I don't think you guys realise that the equipment for processing an E6 slide film in 35mm is very different from that to process cine film.
7dayhop or any other lab processing E6 slide film would not necessarily be in any position to process 64T in super 8 just because they have other machines using E6 chemistry.
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7dayshop are indeed a discount photo product retailer who at the request of Super8 users started stocking Kodachrome. I thought the same might be worth a try of the processing side of their setup. I'm just trying to find someone in the UK that will develop the E6 film when 7dayshop stock itSplee wrote: Well put. 7dayshop are a discount photo product retailer, and dlab7 are a discount film processing operation - albeit a particularly good one. It's not part of their business model to process a minority-interest film, that will require heavy investment for a questionable return.
Personally I now avoid the Widescreen Centre - they were helpful when I first started shooting Super 8, but are woefully overpriced for a lot of things. Andec have done a great job with all my mono S8 and R8 films, and I'll happily send my E64T to them as well. Dealing direct with them is substantially cheaper than going via Widescreen.
Lee
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If we buy enough of it, perhaps we can change their mind ;-) I'm sure we can work on them to stock it, but it sounds like Andec and Frank Bruinsma are on the case to sort out some sort of cheaper process paid deal for all us K40 cheapskates, for which I am very grateful, so it might not be advantageous to buy from 7dayshop.
Lunar, he didn't suggest that we pack our cameras away- he merely assumed like most people who are not super8 users, that it was already a dead or dying format. When I corrected him that it was alive and kicking and unlikely to disappear anytime soon, he realised the silmilarity to his own slide photography business which thrives despite the digital revoltion and wished us luck with our format. Shame hes not an enthusiast as things might well have been different.
Anyway, with Ludwig and Frank on the case I think the future is looking a little rosier and I can again sleep at night
Mark
Lunar, he didn't suggest that we pack our cameras away- he merely assumed like most people who are not super8 users, that it was already a dead or dying format. When I corrected him that it was alive and kicking and unlikely to disappear anytime soon, he realised the silmilarity to his own slide photography business which thrives despite the digital revoltion and wished us luck with our format. Shame hes not an enthusiast as things might well have been different.
Anyway, with Ludwig and Frank on the case I think the future is looking a little rosier and I can again sleep at night
Mark