my fellow shooters..it is time to unite or die..kodak-update

[Uppsala BildTeknik]

Really, seriously, everybody who just refuses to face the facts:

Let it go, man!

K40 IS dead, no petition or a group of 50 guys telling Kodak that we need at least 3 stocks to replace K40 is going to do anything. It is just a waste of time. Both Kodaks time answering all mails (wich I wouldn´t even do if I was Kodak.) and your time.

You can bet your asses that Kodak has made plans for this and calculated this and that before they make a big change like this, they won´t take it back. At least not before they see that their plan actually do fail, THEN it is time to come with suggestions about another emulsion or whatever.

It seems like every other thread still it about how we can save K40, don´t you think it has been discussed enough?

Just let it go, and complain all you want about them choosing the wrong emulsion AFTER you tried the new.

Complaining before you even try it is just like complaining about a magazine before you even laid your eyes on a copy of the magazine, it just won´t hold. :roll:

[Santo]

I may consider ordering a complete custom run myself of 100 if I knew how many carts are required for such an operation. I'll get them to print "Santofilm 100 daylight" on the side and a very basic no-frills box with "Santofilm 100d Ultimate Super8" on the side. Then I'd sell whatever I don't think I'll be able to shoot/use up on ebay or on a website I'd put up and advertise here. Who knows? Could be worth my while and somehow work out cheaper than the pro8 route. I wouldn't be interested in going in with anybody in such a plan. I'm planning a super 8 feature this coming fall or spring depending on "the breaks". Meanwhile, I'll be holding off on my new super 8 short planned this summer until I have a look at this new 64 vs negatives in a test shoot.

[mattias]

i thought this thread was about demanding new stocks!?!

/matt

[Uppsala BildTeknik]

i thought this thread was about demanding new stocks!?!

/matt

Duh, and they are going to offer a replacement stock. Demanding this and that as a replacement is almost equal to tring to keep K40 alive.

If Kodak fails miserably they might change their mind, but I would be extremely surprised if they changed their mind in a heartbeat just because a bunch of people want this stock, another wants another and a third bunch of peole want a third stock. And then there is of course a few who want at least five different stocks.

Unite what? This forum? Is all the members in this forum all the shooters in the world? Even the members in this forum can´t decide what "one stock" is the best, sheesh.

It is not charity, Kodak wants to make money.
Hell if they made more money in Super8 by supporting ten different emulsions I´m pretty sure they would do so.

But as it is now they offer theis "one stock" that they think will do as a replacement, if they are wrong they might change their mind but I really think they want to see some results first. Has anyone shot a roll of Super8 in this new emulsion? No? Well try it and then complain. :?

[mattias]

i thought this thread was about demanding new stocks!?!

Duh

duh??? so why did you get all upset over that it was another bring-k40-back thread? :-)

/matt

[Uppsala BildTeknik]

Hmmm, I really don´t know what you mean.

"Duh" because: Yes, this is another "Bring-back-K40-change-Kodaks-plans-not-likely-to-happend-thread".

I just don´t see it happening, not likely at all. IF they wanted opinions they would assemble knowledgeable people and talk to them, not read 30000 emails from amateurs all over the globe with different suggestions. And I bet they have received a lot of emails already, anough for them to choke on the emails, if I was them I would just delete them without even reading.

And as I said in my reply "Demanding this and that as a replacement is almost equal to tring to keep K40 alive." As is not likely to happend at all.

I think the best thing to do is to just leave Kodak to their plans and try the replacement and THEN get all upset about the replacement being crap.

[alan doyle]

i have a great idea,all those people that think this is a waste of time...
please spend your time,responding in a negative way elsewhere....

and for your information,i have shot most of these stills stocks mentioned over the last 4 years...even put some of them in super 8...
cartridges...
about 8 year ago, a contact in japan told me about a kodak super 8 film which was being used for a bank...i thought it was rubbish until i received a roll.
at the time kodak had a minimum order requirement...
i ended up buying 5000 rolls 0f surveillance 93 negative...sold the whole lot in less than a year...
so i have options..
the fact is 64t will itself be chopped,because it is so old....
maybe it is just as important to show are anger,and say we at least did something...than roll over and except change good or bad..

[Carlos 8mm]

Well, all We know that it cold be hard that Kodak satisfies all our desires, but meanwhile, we can make a petition to demonstrate our interest to use more Super 8 reversal and negative films. Let´s try to be reasonable, asking for those film stocks that Kodak can offer at this moment or within some time, let´s say one year.

My list:

- Vision2 100 T or V2 50D (It will be released by the end of this year, I think).

- Ektachrome 64T and 160 T wich can be relplaced by new ones designed using T-Grain technology in a term of one year.

- Ektachrome E100G (I think that it will be hard to convince Kodak to release this stock).

- A new B&W ISO 50 reversal film, sharper and less grainy than Plus-X 7276, using the new D94-A developer. (They can do it!).

Carlos.

[mattias]

"Duh" because: Yes, this is another "Bring-back-K40-change-Kodaks-plans-not-likely-to-happend-thread".

no it isn't.

btw alan i'm on your side. i'm not very interested in working for it, but let me know where to sign when it comes to that.

/matt

[S8 Booster]

same

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[escubria]

Hmmm, I really don´t know what you mean.

"Duh" because: Yes, this is another "Bring-back-K40-change-Kodaks-plans-not-likely-to-happend-thread".


And as I said in my reply "Demanding this and that as a replacement is almost equal to tring to keep K40 alive." As is not likely to happend at all.

Eh, no it isn't, I think you clicked the wrong thread

If you don't want to try and ask for stocks THAT ARE NOT BEING DISCONTINUED BY THE WAY then don't sign a petition, at least this thread is looking forward.

[kentbulza]

EPT is really grainy.

K200 was saved in 35mm after users agreed to a big increase in the list price.

[alan doyle]

i still have unexposed rolls of super 8 ektachrome A and G.
plus the REPLACMENT 7240 VNF 125...

are you saying ept 160t is not a massive leap forward in grain,colour and
sharpness.. to what s8 stocks have gone before...
i believe this stock for artificial light in conjunction,with a 100d ekta...
will cover various shooting options..
i also believe that instead of the 200asa negative we should have a 50 or 100asa..
i have recently shot 45 (50asa) early evening rated at 100asa and pushed in telecine,it looked fantastic...

[DrkAngl]

I, myself, would be happy with just a Vision 2 - 50D (assuming it will be released in 35mm). That would provide a basic negative film family to shoot for nearly every conceivable application.

The reversal Ektachrome films are good, but more variety will be needed to make it viable. That means we have to ask Kodak for a lot more (2 more emulsions) to make it as flexible as negative super 8.

The 64T could be left for the beginners and students - though I am sure they would not be very enthusiastic about film when they need to deal with the disadvantages.

Obviously, the drawback with negative is the telecine requirement. But, I think most people go to telecine anyways.

In any case, I guarantee Kodak will not listen to so many fragmented demands.

Perhaps a vote for ONE additional film would be a possible solution. When a film is selected by vote, EVERYBODY stands behind it. This may possibly get some interest from Kodak.

A vote for on this site for a single additional film would be the first step. Then a petition that everybody stands behind. That might get us ONE additional stock from of the death of K-40.

[monobath]

The 64T could be left for the beginners and students - though I am sure they would not be very enthusiastic about film when they need to deal with the disadvantages.

I beg your pardon, but you are dissin' a film you haven't even shot in S8 yet. I'm holding out for a film test before I slam ANY film stock.

Obviously, the drawback with negative is the telecine requirement. But, I think most people go to telecine anyways.

Some people like to do the home telecine thing using setups like Roger's workprinter. Lots of people project film. I doubt anyone can say what percentage of all the Super 8 K40 film that gets sold ends up getting telecined. Obviously all the negative film does because you can't project it. But that's precisely one of the big reasons why those of us who prefer to project our films don't use it.

Perhaps a vote for ONE additional film would be a possible solution. When a film is selected by vote, EVERYBODY stands behind it.

Pipe dream. There are people who are glad that we lost an old standby, so what makes you think everybody will stand behind a stock that 50 people on this board decide to petition for?

I'm not trying to single your comments out. There are other comments in this thread I take issue with, too. I just see a lot of assumptions in your comments that I think are unjustified, or at least unsubstantiated.