my fellow shooters..it is time to unite or die..kodak-update

[alan doyle]

hi guys....
just had a long conversation with a contact in motion picture...
the deal is this,if we do nothing and except this then we have no bargaining position...the more noise we make,the better...
the position is k40 looks like it is history...
but as a compromise i told them to forget 64t....15 year old generation stock to grainy..
i suggested...ekta..100gx.... daylight stock,similar to elitechrome but pro version and warmer....and grainularity of 8...

also ektachrome 160T, EPT..a massive improvement on any super 8 ekta...films that have been availlable over the years.....

5245 ....50asa negative....motion pic film...
i am affraid,we either need to work out a position,as a whole or just keep letting them chip away,while we keep slagging each other off..

i will be speaking to my contact next week,after cannes....
let me know what you think.....

[Sparky]

I sent an email to the straight8 guys who have a showing at cannes- perhaps you could do something with them.

Mark

[paul]

..the more noise we make,the better...

I would like to join you, but how? Will we send off a petition by the internet?

Paul

[S8 Booster]

i´d like to see the 100x? but how come that kodak seem to talk with multiple split tongues all the time?

for the same reason i can not see this work out more than any other shots at kodak over the past.

mr pytlak. can you straighten out a few question marks? guess a 100 would be fine.

they unite - we need not?

t

[sunrise]

I would say that the Kodak survey from last year (of which this is a result) that most of us took part in carries a bit more weight than Alan speaking to his local contact at Kodak. The 64T is a result of that survey.

And how can you get shooters with varying needs to unite into one single film stock?

I'd like a high speed, low grain, medium contrast, saturated colour reversal stock...

michael

[rurgis]

good idea!

k40 is now being sendt to rest with the likes of technicolor and other prosesses that photographers of today are striving to recreate through digital means. kodak has free´d themselves from the yellow envelopes, and its really we- the consumers, who has the ball now. should have...


awand: make a poll that headlines the filmshooting page for the next months. lets put up a listing of what we would like to be the new s8 stock, on the basis of price, local labs, grains and all the other factors we need to consider.
is the time of reversal stock over? do we want, or need a reversal replacement?
lets find out!

mr kodak: listen to us! why make a stock that nobody will buy?


- after all it shouldnt make any difference productionvice to kodak what emulsion they will load the cartriges with, now that they dont have to do the developing anymore.

-jar

[Alex]

too many varied opinions (in my opinion 8O ).

Ektachrome 64T might be a surprisingly good stock, MIGHT be.

However, I don't think the Ektachrome 64T decision should have been linked to the Kodachrome decision in any way. The decisions involving Ektachrome and Kodachrome should have been made independently of each other.

It's all about how profitable do these formats have to be to be kept in production.

Do the Super-8 film stocks have to generate either huge profits or huge grosses, or as long as they are in the black, will Kodak continue to support them?

Once this question is answered, THEN a possible plan for Kodachrome, involved around charging for processing seperately or raising the price again could be explored. The bottom line is Kodachrome 40 costs LESS THAN HALF to buy and process than Pro-8mm negative stocks, so it looks to me like there is wiggle room to charge more money to make Kodachrome profitable.

However, this gets us back to, is it about profitability, gross sales, or the size of the profitability?

[Carlos 8mm]

Okay, let´s go fellas, we have nothing to loose!

We need new reversal stocks, so let´s make a new Kodak Petition... 8)

Carlos.

[alan doyle]

[quote="sunrise"]I would say that the Kodak survey from last year (of which this is a result) that most of us took part in carries a bit more weight than Alan speaking to his local contact at Kodak. The 64T is a result of that survey.


divide and rule,typical apathetic response above..
we need to kick up a stink now...
the choice for 64t,was not based on a democratic open comunication with this site..
as usual it was bean counters loking at figures and asa numbers..
as i said in my 1st message,if we talk as one voice we have more power..
now we can roll over or jump up and down and say 64t is the best stock..
it is a 13-15 years old...how can it be...
i believe 100 g or gx (elitechrome)100asa daylight...is a good choice...
plus 160t ektachrome,the newer generation stills version...
and 45 ...50asa negative...
why would anybody,want to do nothing...
better to try and do something as a collective goddamit...
we know more about this format,than anybody in kodak...
just for a short time,let's stop point scoring and UNITE....

[escubria]

I agree totally, strike while the iron is hot.

We should really use this site to it's full potential. If Awand could start a petition/poll on this site, we can let Kodak know in unison that 64T may not be the best choice.

After all if we can reach a good compromise with Kodak our own loyalty to them will increase and those that start with film may stick with it -which is good news for Kodak.

[LastQuark]

We need some kind of leadership influential enough to steer the decisions of Kodak. Roger talked to them in the past. They followed 95% of what he demanded. If we can show that we are behind our leader, then we will have a voice. One voice.

First thing though. All of us should agree to which stock. We only have 1 choice to start with and it better be good. I still think the tungsten group should compromise a bit and go with the E100G stock like what this thread is saying. You will always have the E200G or E400G to suit your indoor shoots later on.

To the Kodachrome folks, it is time to end the 70+ year reign of Kodachrome. Kodak wanted to kill it for a long time. E100G is a much better stock!

 

[alan doyle]

we should aim high...
and state we need 3 stocks to replace k40...
100 gx daylight is warmer than g...
i used 100 g last year,it was a little cool for me...

160 t ektachrome solves the tungston issue,with a much more up to date
film stock...a mid 90s generation ekta,than the old super 8 ektas from the mid 70s...
then 45 50asa neg....
the other great positive aspect is all the above stocks are push and pullable..

one thing to people that think i am being naive..
because of my continual harrasment of my contacts in kodak,they are in the process of upgrading the super 8 pages on kodaks site..
pressure sometimes does get results...

[escubria]

E100G sounds good. Can we agree?

[T-Scan]

we should aim high...
and state we need 3 stocks to replace k40...

They will just say what they always say, not a market. the only way you will see more films is if the market picks up for whats going to be available, or you guys putting your money where your mouth is and pool together by ordering a special batch. It almost worked for Francis and his 100T DS8 sceme, what ever happened to that anyway?

[MovieStuff]

We need some kind of leadership influential enough to steer the decisions of Kodak. Roger talked to them in the past. They followed 95% of what he demanded. If we can show that we are behind our leader, then we will have a voice. One voice.

I should point out that in my meeting with them I demanded nothing. Thay asked for my opinion and I told them what I thought they could do that would be better than what they might do, based on their past history. While I appreciate the vote of confidence, I don't think that I am really the one to be the spokesperson for pushing a specific stock, especially if their offering of the 64T was in response to anything that I suggested. I would look pretty silly going to them and suddenly demanding that they change emulsions at the last minute. I think we should see what this new emulsion looks like and also see how many labs sprout up that can handle E6 in Super 8. That would allow a bit more room for suggestion in the future, IMHO.

Roger
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