TOO EXPENSIVE MAGAZINE!

Post by **S8 Booster** » Mon May 16, 2005 8:58 am

Alex wrote:
S8 Booster wrote:Outdated format for outdated technology - yeah, it could work.

T
Are you refering to a magazine format as being outdated? It sure is nice to not always need electricity or a computer screen to read something, no?

well, internet is taking its toll. over the past weeks i have been offered advertizing in 2 of the highest profiled magazines in my buzz in this country to fantacy prices, i mean you can get a 1/1 page for the price of a good restaurant dinner for 2.

thus internet is making its impact.

this country may be a forerunner in this area as well as the less likable switch to video in the pro branch early 80s but never the less.

i like magazines no problem but if you look at areas like international economy development, another area i am pretty much locked up to, i dropped those high end bizz newspapers in the mid 90s because the net is much faster and gives you a much wider view of various opinions than locking you up to say 1 profile paper.

additionally, if you want a copy of the newspaper think every serious newspaper publisher offeres complete .pdf versions for downloading the same minute as the printed version goes printing.

that is pretty much the situation here.

another sample, which print can beat this forum?

even mr. Pytlak it dropping by to give us an online regular update/correction answering question you will be stuck with in the magazine world until, if you are lucky the next issue - next month and then you have more follow up questions to possiby be answered the next month?

t

Alex · Post by **Alex** » Mon May 16, 2005 9:17 am

It's fine to point out what magazine cannot do.

What the magazine can do is be placed in buildings and offices related to motion picture and digital production so that people can view the magazine in a serene moment, and learn.

A magazine also helps frame (pardon the pun) specific issues and keeps content focused, something that many times a topic thread or title may not do.

Post by **Juergen** » Mon May 16, 2005 9:31 am

And magazines can offer even more details, more historical background, because the stories can be longer than anybody would read them on a computer. There are enough topics that must not reach the reader same day as it was printed. How to make a film, how to work with film stock and camera is not a fast changing topic...

Juergen
http://www.smallformat.de

Post by **S8 Booster** » Mon May 16, 2005 9:49 am

with all repect, i disagree. i do not mind magazines but if you compare any s8 magazine currently or of the past to the brutal knowlegde all the creative knowledge, exploring and knowhow researched by the "doctors" on this and other boards you will have to search the boards to find stuff for your magazines.

additionally - having read tests n stuff of s8 gear in magazines of the past it is apparent that the testers lack even the most basic knowledge of the required technology and have made HUGE errors in those tests not having an idea of what they are up to. I have seen too many examples of this to accept anything printed on paper and the most advanced cams of the past holds technology no film/photo based technichian of today will ever be capable of examining to full unless going through it completely with the designers of the cams.

background stuff yes.

too long for the net - no. there are some things called printers.

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Alex · Post by **Alex** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:10 am

S8 Booster wrote:with all repect, i disagree. i do not mind magazines but if you compare any s8 magazine currently or of the past to the brutal knowlegde all the creative knowledge, exploring and knowhow researched by the "doctors" on this and other boards you will have to search the boards to find stuff for your magazines.
t

That's not exactly the point. You'll also find divergent viewpoints on practically every issue when it's presented on a forum. While that sounds good in theory, in the end many times the right way to proceed is left up in the air because of all the disagreeing. Putting words in print is very brave because you cannot alter them once the magazine is sent out.

S8 Booster wrote: additionally - having read tests n stuff of s8 gear in magazines of the past it is apparent that the testers lack even the most basic knowledge of the required technology and have made HUGE errors in those tests not having an idea of what they are up to. I have seen too many examples of this to accept anything printed on paper and the most advanced cams of the past holds technology no film/photo based technichian of today will ever be capable of examining to full unless going through it completely with the designers of the cams.

t

As much as I agree with that statement, it probably does not apply to this particular magazine.

The reason in the past for inaccuracies in several different types of media has been because the reviews are hastily put together and usually the product being reviewed is also being advertised in that very same camera issue. This tends to tie the hand of the reviewer on some level. That type of scenario is probably much rarer when it comes to a super-8 magazine.

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Are you panning the magazine without first seeing it?

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It never ceases to amaze me how many times opposing views are presented on forums over issues that are really non-issues.

Super-8 magazine, yes or no, of course yes.

Kodachrome 40, yes or no, of course yes.

Yet the debates rages on.

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I welcome a magazine that doesn't debate itself every other sentence, it will be a breathe of fresh air.

Post by **S8 Booster** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:53 am

all good points but a s8 magazine will only have very limited capacity to do research and as out of focus threads on a board may turn as insuffucient a written magazine stuff will be.

reading threads critically will be more usable. for heavens ake - boards are "pulse of life" while magazines are backmarkers - at best.

t

Post by **Sparky** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:02 am

Well take for example the cover story about the Leicina prototypes (OK i know it won't interest you Booster very much ;-) ) but try finding ANYTHING out about them in the net- you won't , I tried. This is where a magazine where someone is being payed to do actual research can do a lot better.

Mark

Post by **S8 Booster** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:05 am

well thise cams are dirt simple soo.. - anybody can do the most and of none particular interest to me - because it was outdated tech at its best.

t

Post by **Taqi** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:05 am

Ah... Stromboli and Super 8 - Could it get any better? (apart from Ingrid Bergman turning up)...

Post by **Sparky** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:20 am

well thise cams are dirt simple soo.. - anybody can do the most and of none particular interest to me - because it was outdated tech at its best.

well I don't think anyone would expect anything else from you Booster, but it was an example- it could easily be about a Canon, understand? the idea?

Mark

Post by **ultramarine** » Mon May 16, 2005 11:33 am

well thise cams are dirt simple soo.. - anybody can do the most and of none particular interest to me - because it was outdated tech at its best.

SO a research about ancient technology is useless because it concerns ancient technology!
That's amongst the most rediculus statements I've ever heard.
...and S8 Booster, before you exlpode! It's not personal! Really.
I'm not talking about personal interests. You have every right to ignore this...

Post by **super8man** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:30 pm

One thing I noticed in the one and only 1/32 scale slot car I buy is the HUGE bias of the publisher/editor/owner. Now think about it: Road and Track, Car & Driver, Motor Trend all look at the new Mustang or GT40 andall have something different to say. In their case, they are somewhat kept honest by the presence of other choices (I think Car & Driver is called Car & Cupholder by some).

A single super 8 mag? Great! I welcome it. But yeah, it is going to be hard to present a broad range of information to touch all types of users. You risk alienating some simple users if the articles are too technical, or you lose the respect of the pros/oldtimers if you are too basic in your approach. In the end, the depth of the internet will ALWAYS outweigh anything a single magazine can give.

And, as for that 1/32 slot car mag I buy? I have now stopped buying it after 21 issues since the author has gone completely over the deep end into digital BRAND NAME racing...he HAD to to support his advertisers. He can't very well say you can buy product A or build it yourself now can he? Not if he has a business plan...the buld it yourself part got the axe and so I quit buying it.

Good luck on your efforts...

Post by **vonfilm** » Mon May 16, 2005 5:03 pm

I just Paypal'd for the first English issue of Schmalfilm. The cover looks great and I will probably subscribe if I like the contents.

I always prefer reading a magazine in print versus on a computer monitor.

I applaud the efforts to produce Schmalfilm in English. It must be a labor of love; I am sure there is no real money to be made in it.

Post by **S8 Booster** » Mon May 16, 2005 5:08 pm

i donÃ‚Â´t give a fuck really - i just hate to see idiosyntcratic trash from biased amateur pretenders drippling out in the public when none of it is well funded and no way holds water by a long shot on professional terms.

besides, the weak point is allways the filmmaker. however, a good one can use a wind up quarz more than sufficiently to outshoot far more than 99% of the posters here.

there are a few of those on this board but you hardly get any noise from there.

others, not having a clue at all makes all sorts of noise - believing is believing - digging into glasshouses of the imaginary world of mediocre old hype fashion of questionable techology believed to their lifesaver.

having had the opportunity to meet a senior chef film editor and a oscar nominated cinematorgrapher in the past i know as follows: they trashed any cam except beaulieu 4/5008 alikes - for 1 reason: the full manual control. they really had problems with the tech put into other *modern* cams - in this case high end bauers. beaulieus - not because they are particulary good or advanced but for their simple manual management quite similar to 16/35ers.

this is all thatÃ‚Â´s needed to make film apart from the filmmaker capacity.

if you want space age cinematic technology allowing you to step further you need to go elsewhere outside europe. thatÃ‚Â´s for cam tech as well as glass. you know it and if you try to comment else you donÃ‚Â´t have the knoweledge or will to see the reality.

as for the magazine i wish it all the best but as i said, it is outdated format for an outdated technology of the past. no critisism.

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Alex · Post by **Alex** » Mon May 16, 2005 5:59 pm

I don't know about your meetings with Oscar types of people, or why you guys were discussing different types of Super-8 cameras, but at the top of the list for any knowledgeable Director of Photography would be an orientable viewfinder, crystal sync, interchangeable lenses, and pin registration.

Beaulieu has two of those four elements.

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The reason I see the magazine as a breath of fresh air is I can read what others are doing with Super-8, and then it's quite possible some of the topics from the magazine might be discussed here.

This now gives me two ways to learn about a topic. The first way is from the perspective of a knowledgeable, professional writer form the magazine. Then I can come to this forum and possibly experience a shark feeding frenzy environment as the topics get dissected.

The Super-8 magazine adds substance to the Super-8 format and will enhance this super-8 forum with fresh topics to discuss.

Perhaps a forum might be solely dedicated to the magazine.