A BLEAK SUPER 8 FUTURE

[PITIRRE]

It is there any hope for super 8 to survive the next 5 years or are we are seeing the dead of super 8, today is K-40 what about tomorrow plus x, tri x etc.

Is this is the case I am not going to jump to 16mm, I prefer to invest in a good HD video camera and start making "films" on video.

[marc]

They should just sell their whole Super 8 division to Fuji. This is an oppinion that I have held for years. That is, assuming that Fuji is interested in making a go of it.

[BK]

It is there any hope for super 8 to survive the next 5 years or are we are seeing the dead of super 8, today is K-40 what about tomorrow plus x, tri x etc.

Is this is the case I am not going to jump to 16mm, I prefer to invest in a good HD video camera and start making "films" on video.

Don't be so pessimistic! I heard this same "crap" 20 odd years ago with the onslaught of home video and film is still available today. If we all think like you super 8 will be dead " tommorrow" mate. Go ahead get your HD video camera that will be obsolete in 6 months.

Bill

[timdrage]

I thought for a minute this thread might be about the super-8 feature Bleak Future! Really wanna see that...

[Evan Kubota]

"Don't be so pessimistic! I heard this same "crap" 20 odd years ago with the onslaught of home video and film is still available today."

Well... it did largely kill the camera manufacturers. Kodak doesn't seem that enthusiastic about S8, anyway. I get the feeling that we're clinging on by a thread.

[PITIRRE]

It is not that I am pessimistic, but can anyone tell me if the 64t will be better than K40, because if is better forget about about K40 and let's go with 64t, but people are not really sure and that's ok, let's wait until it comes out to the market.

Another thing, I remember when I used to go to my local pharmacy or dept. store and get my film stock, today you can't do that, you have to buy it thru film labs or specialize companies and as sad that it's sound the digital age is here to stay, more and more features films are done in HD video, most special effects are done in computers and this doesn't mean that I hate super 8, I hope that we can have super 8 for years to come, I am just concern of it's future. 35 years ago super 8 was in its prime time, 20 years ago people use to said super 8 will soon dissapear because of video but you can still found super 8 equipment and stocks in local stores, now if you want super 8 equipment you have to go to specialize places.

With the dissapear of K40 is my opinion that it is going to be a big blow for people who use this format no matter how you look a it, I hope that the new 64t filmstock will be good or someone developed a better stock who knows. And for those who said that they hear the same crap for long time, I hope you are right because I love the format also, but what about 20 years from now?

[chachi]

I just got into home processing of super8, so for me the future is actually brighter in many cases. sadly with the death of kodachrome, my future is not as colorful

[John_Pytlak]

I just got into home processing of super8, so for me the future is actually brighter in many cases. sadly with the death of kodachrome, my future is not as colorful

Have you processed E-6 at home? :?:

[B.K.]

I picked up 200T kodak super-8... I don't see how this means that kodak is abandoning super-8???

Though I dislike the notion of phasing out stocks, Kodak does this all the time. Like with the great EXR stock '98. But then they turn around and put out '18 (many years later).

The reality is, most people telecine their work, so negative makes more sense than reversal. Though Kodachroma has fine grain, its 1/2 stop of latitude either way dooms it for professional work.

I does have a certain look, as with all stocks and I wish it would stick around, but I DO NOT see how this can be interpretted as Kodak running away from super-8. Granted most post work is now digital with DI's, but the capture medium is stil film. I think in their shift to digital they still realize any clown can get a great image with film, whereas you have to really work to get video looking "professional." This is why super-8 sales will grow, in light of a growing DV market that 99% of the time looks like video. I know I wouldn't chance shooting anything on video, for the reason alone that it might come out as looking like video.

[Skylab001]

well they are replacing K40 with 64T, and as long as they are discontinuing and replacing, rather than discontinuing only, I don't see a problem. I always thought K40 was a decent stock but I would much rather shoot Vision200 2 or tri-x. I use super-8 for the grainy look that it has. When I want a better image I'll use 16mm or super16. I don't think super 8 will die out in 5 years, it just may be much, much more expensive to shoot it then. Just my 2 cents

[mohican]

The chances of a K-40 Super Eight resurrection are the same as the chances of a down-town Rochester resurrection...nil. Been there lately? Eastman Museum is great, though. That is worth a visit.

[gurra83]

When I want a better image I'll use 16mm or super16. I don't think super 8 will die out in 5 years, it just may be much, much more expensive to shoot it then. Just my 2 cents

That’s exactly why they should not discontinue K40!!! :evil:

Lucky for you that you can use 16 or S16 if you want to!

I however will not get that chance so easily. I started shooting S8 quite recently, and I have been urging to try other stocks and I will do so this summer. Stocks like the vision 2 200 and Tri-x stocks. It’s thrilling for an amateur to be able to use stocks that is being used professionally.

However!!! The K40 was a platform. Something to jump from. Something to lean against.

It was cheap and it was process paid. The colours and look where nice but that’s not the biggest issue for me.

You could experiment with it. Try different stuff. Make sync tests with it or simply make low budget shorts.

With K40 disappearing, the other stocks somehow seems more out of reach.

I don’t know why??
:?

[chachi]

I just got into home processing of super8, so for me the future is actually brighter in many cases. sadly with the death of kodachrome, my future is not as colorful

Have you processed E-6 at home? :?:

yep, I'm new to this whole processing thing and am really just experimenting right now. I have been using old stock so my results are all but pleasing.

So far, I have a totally blue/ dark with no color roll of agfa film I processed with waterspots everywhere! . I thought I was doing something wrong, but I read on the internet that the blue cast is a problem with old agfachrome film. The water spots may be aided by the use of photo flo, which I will try tonight on another roll of agfachrome and I overexposed this time to see if it makes any difference..

Also, last night I cross processed some focal film which said process Em-25, I used E-6 process on it and it turned out really grainy and dark but had color.

I'm actually going to use up all the chemicals I've mixed up just playing around with some more agfa and focal films. I'm saving the ektachrome for new chemicals and more experience. Again, this new reversal stock sort of makes me giggly inside. I love the idea of no remjet removal and home processing. However, I have lots of kodachrome and mailers to use up this summer regardless...