GOODBYE K40...

Post by **escubria** » Mon May 09, 2005 11:34 pm

So K40 has gone the way of the Dodo, will this be the inevitable decline of super 8?

Will the new 64T be process paid?

Post by **Splee** » Tue May 10, 2005 1:59 am

I am almost 100% certain that it won't be process paid, but this will be no major problem as it is an E6 film, potentially hugely increasing the choice of where to get it processed. The only reason that K40 is processed paid is because no-one else can process it.

Post by **tlatosmd** » Tue May 10, 2005 2:04 am

Wherever did you get the idea K40 would be discontinued? I can't find any information like that, neither on filmshooting.com, http://www.wittner-kinotechnik.de, http://www.super8.nl (Frank Bruinsma's site) nor on http://www.super8.ch/globalsuper8day/ itself. All I've heard of is that Ektachrome VNF 7240 has been discontinued.

EDIT: Sorry, found it in the next thread...

Post by **Splee** » Tue May 10, 2005 2:08 am

An official announcement on Kodak's website. See other threads for info. It seems to be real this time. We're getting Ektachrome 64T as a replacement, but this could well be unsuitable for lower end cameras.

Post by **kentbulza** » Tue May 10, 2005 2:12 am

WHY would Kodak want to give us ELEVEN RMS 64T in Super 8. The frame is TOO small for a film that grainy! I NEVER buy that slide film because it really stinksvs. Fujichrome 64T. I only buy Kodak's 160T film because Fuji doesn't have a high-speed tungsten.

This move will DECREASE Super 8 sales because the higher the RMS, the better DV looks in comparison.

Post by **HTTK** » Tue May 10, 2005 2:16 am

I'm afraid it's true. Here it is from Kodak's mouth...
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/about ... per8.jhtml

I really liked K40 but I do agree the new stock will open up doors to be processed other places then Dwayne's or Swizterland. Still soaking in this bit of news...not sure how I feel about it yet. I'm excited for a new Super8 stock, but sad of the K40 leaving us. :?

Post by **stianw** » Tue May 10, 2005 2:16 am

Kodak: As part of the portfolio revamp, Kodak will discontinue sales of its Super 8 Kodachrome film. Final sales of Kodachrome Super 8 will be based on product availability over the coming months. Sales of Kodachrome 16mm film will continue, unaffected by this announcement.

The decision to discontinue Kodachrome in Super 8 was driven entirely by marketplace dynamics.

Post by **Splee** » Tue May 10, 2005 2:29 am

I'm just concerned about how my 40/160-notched, automatic camera will cope. How can I fool it into exposing the new film correctly? I'm guessing exposure at 160, and using a ND filter, but how many stops will I need?

Lee

Post by **marc** » Tue May 10, 2005 2:44 am

Splee wrote:I'm just concerned about how my 40/160-notched, automatic camera will cope. How can I fool it into exposing the new film correctly? I'm guessing exposure at 160, and using a ND filter, but how many stops will I need?

Lee

It might actually work in your favor as it could possibly default to the closest speed (ASA 40) and that slight overexposure could tighten the grain a little for you!

Post by **Evan Kubota** » Tue May 10, 2005 2:48 am

"I really liked K40 but I do agree the new stock will open up doors to be processed other places then Dwayne's or Swizterland."

At what cost, though? Current prices for Ektachrome S8 processing are at least $15 per cart. Unacceptable, IMO, considering that this is 3x the price of Dwayne's through Wal-Mart.

Post by **Splee** » Tue May 10, 2005 2:52 am

marc wrote:
Splee wrote:I'm just concerned about how my 40/160-notched, automatic camera will cope. How can I fool it into exposing the new film correctly? I'm guessing exposure at 160, and using a ND filter, but how many stops will I need?

Lee
I might actually work in your favor as it could possibly default to the closest speed (ASA 40) and that slight overexposure could tighten the grain a little for you!

Hmm...it's not a huge amount really, is it? And, of course, it could be compensated for a little more easily at processing stage. Will the film be any good, shot as-is, using automatic cameras? Only time will tell. It's still almost enough to make me give up on Super 8 though. K40 *is* Super 8.

Lee

Post by **FilmIs4Ever** » Tue May 10, 2005 4:36 am

Kent, you said the RMS of Ekta64T is 11. What is K40's root mean square? Also, please PM me if you are interested in getting involved in a little organized negotiation with Kodak to try and keep K40 around, since you are obviously quite knowledgeable when it comes to film imaging characteristics and I'd really appreciate your help in talking with Kodak.

Regards.
~Karl Borowski

Post by **super8man** » Tue May 10, 2005 4:52 am

Found this on the web - not exactly a movie film specialty given the liking for longer than 1/10 of a second exposure times! If anything, this film is good for COPYING K40 reversal film to make second prints!:

KODAK EKTACHROME 64T PROF.
ISO 64/19Ã‚Â°
Grain: RMS 11
RP: 125/50 lpm
ID: EPY, 5018
Amedium-speed reversal film balanced for exposure by 3200 K tungsten lighting, Ektachrome 64T Professional is optimized for longer exposure timesÃ¢â‚¬â€from 1/10 to 100 seconds. It produces excellent results in copy work, as well as when shooting original subject matter. A fine studio film for tungsten-light photography when high film speed is not necessary.

Post by **monobath** » Tue May 10, 2005 5:18 am

It's premature to assume that the new 64T Super 8mm film is the same as the EPY film some of you are referring to. It may be, but Kodak says the new 64T film is super-saturated. That is most definitely not a characteristic of EPY 64T, which is known for accurate and realistic color reproduction. So it may not be the same emulsion. If it's not the same emulsion as EPY, then you don't really know what the RMS granularity is.

Post by **reflex** » Tue May 10, 2005 5:30 am

Its sad to realize that my recent Kodachrome order will most likely be my last one. It now makes perfect sense to me that the expiry was so close - 11/2005 is probably the last batch.

I'm looking forward to trying the new 64T reversal. If you stop and think about it from Kodak's perspective, it is very decent of them to provide a replacement. This will allow them to shut down the old Kodachrome processing labs and give the environment a bit of a reprieve from the chemical nastiness that it took to develop our cheery little film.

Kodachrome, I'll miss you, but I plan to shoot as much Super 8 as every -- maybe some Vision 200/500T negative in the summer, too.