Kodachrome being DISCONTINUED!?

[mattias]

I wonder how the grain will compare to the K40.

it has more.

It probably won't have the same beautiful colors.

it will obviously have much better colors. as for beautiful that's a matter of taste.

/matt

[marc]

Could you break it down for me?

[mattias]

sorry, i don't understand. what exactly?

/matt

[marc]

What I mean to say is, can you elaborate or articulate your position on the difference in color quality?

[marc]

If people like Dyane's are still processing K40 in 16mm. They should still be able to do the super 8. I guess this is the end of any incentive for R8. I wonder if this was a ploy by Kodak to get people who were so accostumed to the beauty of S8 K40 to start shooting in 16mm in order to use the same emulsion?

I just realized the error in my statement. On the contrary, this will make R8 much more appealing. This can always be notched from 16mm film. I wonder if Kodak wants to get rid of the whole cartridge design and hopes that people will shoot the other formats because they are simpler ( just loads on a spool) to manufacture?

[mattias]

What I mean to say is, can you elaborate or articulate your position on the difference in color quality?

oh, that. ektachrome (although i don't have that much experience with the 64t per se) has very natural colors that are still rather saturated (in the case of vs, used for the 100d they're very saturated). it's more suitable for creating the look you want through art direction and lighting, while k40 has a very distinct look that's hard to get rid of. it's really beautiful for some situations but i've more often felt limited by it than it has helped, so i have only used super 8 for things that were supposed to look vintage or dreamy or whatever. hopefully this new stocks will change things but i'm worried about the grain. it's not the least grainy stock there is they've picked, if it's indeed the slide stock.

/matt

[marc]

At ASA 64, I can't imagine it being that much more grainy than K 40. ASA 64 seems like a relatively low speed film stock.

[stianw]

Kodak: As part of the portfolio revamp, Kodak will discontinue sales of its Super 8 Kodachrome film. Final sales of Kodachrome Super 8 will be based on product availability over the coming months. Sales of Kodachrome 16mm film will continue, unaffected by this announcement.

The decision to discontinue Kodachrome in Super 8 was driven entirely by marketplace dynamics.

[mattias]

At ASA 64, I can't imagine it being that much more grainy than K 40. ASA 64 seems like a relatively low speed film stock.

imagine all you want or just go out and buy a roll.

/matt

[marc]

At ASA 64, I can't imagine it being that much more grainy than K 40. ASA 64 seems like a relatively low speed film stock.

imagine all you want or just go out and buy a roll.

/matt

I like to imagine before I act! That's actually an expression of sorts in the English language which is like saying: "ASA 64 really isn't that much higher than 40 ASA, What's up with the grain thing?" Especially when you say that it is grainier than the 100 vs.

[tlatosmd]

So what now? K40 will be axed due to no lab but continued for 16mm even though there are no labs, or a secretary or html programmer confused Kodachrome with Ektachrome?

[soundboy]

Here it is B+W straight from the Big K

Kodak celebrates 40th anniversary of super 8 film announces new color reversal product to portfolio


ROCHESTER, NY, May 9 -- From its beginnings as the home movie medium of the 1960s, Super 8 film is alive and well and serving a vital segment of today's filmmaking industry.

Eastman Kodak Company remains committed to providing Super 8 camera users a range of products and creative choices. As such, Kodak has added a new color reversal film to its Super 8 portfolio -- the super-saturated, fine grain EKTACHROME 64T motion picture film, available in August of this year.

"Introduced in 1965, Super 8 film has found new life with each new generation of filmmakers that continue to embrace the format," said Bob Mayson, general manager and vice president for Image Capture products, Entertainment Imaging at Eastman Kodak Company. "Forty years after its introduction, this small-gauge film still provides an easy, inexpensive way for students and enthusiasts to work at film resolutions and color depths as yet unmatched by the latest digital technologies."

"In fact, many of today's great cinematographers and directors began their careers decades ago, at the counter of their local photo shop, buying a cartridge of Super 8 film."

"That's why Kodak has continued to invest in the Super 8 business," he added. "And we're just thrilled to introduce this vivid, new emulsion to the marketplace. It's a great new product with very high image quality and excellent color reproduction, providing our Super 8 customers another creative tool for their toolbox."

The new 64T expands the current Super 8 portfolio that includes two black and white reversal films -- in medium and high speeds covering a range of lighting situations.

Super 8 customers will also find latest VISION2 technologies available in 200T and 500T speeds -- incorporating the highest quality images, improved sharpness and grain, along with a full systems approach, optimizing the entire imaging chain.

"With Super 8 gates now available for high end scanners, coupled with the VISION2 film technology advancements, Super 8 is what 16mm film used to be," says Mayson. "Super 8 color negative has become another option for professionals with low budgets."

As part of the portfolio revamp, Kodak will discontinue sales of its Super 8 Kodachrome film. Final sales of Kodachrome Super 8 will be based on product availability over the coming months. Sales of Kodachrome 16mm film will continue, unaffected by this announcement.

The decision to discontinue Kodachrome in Super 8 was driven entirely by marketplace dynamics.

"Because the 'home movie' market has shifted to digital, sales of Kodachrome Super 8 film have declined significantly. In tandem with that decline, the availability of processing for Kodachrome Super 8 cartridges has diminished. In other words, fewer and fewer labs worldwide have the machines and the chemistry necessary to process this film emulsion in the Super 8 format," according to Mayson.

Kodak will give customers at least a year to process their Kodachrome Super 8 film with Kodak or to seek an alternative.

As noted earlier, Kodak remains committed to the Super 8 format, as evidenced by the new film announced today, building on a product line that covers the needs of enthusiasts, from a choice of stocks in negative, Black and White and reversal films. Kodak's intent is to maintain the format as long as it is supported by marketplace conditions.
 

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[tlatosmd]

Yes, we've all seen that text by now. Which is why I ask how they can maintain Kodachrome in 16mm if they say there are no labs anymore? So I'd rather blame it on a secretary or programmer who confused two types. And let's not forget that 'home movie market' moved to video a quarter of a century ago, so that can't be any excuse. There's only one example in history of being that late, which was the League of Nations that disbanded after WWII.

[Daniel]

if it's indeed the slide stock.

That's the point.
I hope it is an evolution done for this special product. The article did not mentionned that this Ekta 64T product would be released on 16mm. So in the best scenario, we could see an evolution of the Ekta 64T (photo stock) based on the fact that Kodak knew the passion a lot of filmmakers and amateurs have for the K-40. They already had experience with Ekta 125T which was too grainy in the vast majority of opinions, and they have made research on which kind of reversal to release :

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/sm ... ssage/1117

(I have read this message much time after it was wrote there...)

From that link, it would appear that it is the photo-film stock, but I think we can still have some hope in that it would be an evolution for the format, because the link

http://wwwuk.kodak.com/US/en/motion/abo ... per8.jhtml

"Kodak has added a new color reversal film to its Super 8 portfolio -- the super-saturated, fine grain EKTACHROME 64T motion picture film, available in August of this year."

does add "motion picture film" to the name Ekta 64T... Perhaps it doesn't mean any variation.
But time will tell.

Regards,
Daniel

[mattias]

I like to imagine before I act!

sorry, i was a little worked up after an unfortunate enounter with film thurso in another thread. the 64t is an older stock than 100d, that's why you can't draw conclusions based on asa. you can only do that withing the same generation of emulsions. i.e. the vision 200t is less grainy than vision 500t, but the exr 200t isn't necessarily less grainy than vision2 500t.

/matt