super 8 feature film trailer

[Uppsala BildTeknik]

In mattias defence, it also sounded like a bit of a dig to me.

I agree. There was a bit too much "Uuuhhh". But hey if it was intended as humor a few :lol: would have made it easier to recognize as humor.

C´mon people, use more :lol: 8) :roll: :oops: :evil: to show the "tone" of your writing!

By the way, I loved the trailer!

[jean]

and i was almost convinced that since zombies don't really exist they don't have to look real

It depends. When I go somwhere walking, it seems just fine. When I use public transport (especially during the rush hour), I have no doubt that I'm surrounded by living dead, and try to behave and move like them in order not to be torn apart. I think that films like bodysnatchers derive from someone observing people in the subway.

there are no zombie Nazi's in reality

Now this is interesting! Seriously, I like the connection between zombies and nazis. Looking at night of the living dead and the real nazi germany, it seems to me an excellent transportation of a real world situation into an imaginary. The essence - the fear of suddenly being ripped out of everyday's life and surrounded by hostile mass that before were neighbours, friends, and other ordinary folks is perfectly realized in the zombie genre.

there are no zombie Nazi's in reality

Giving it a second thought, I tend to disagree. I've seen them, and without clear evidence it is impossible to make such a statement. They move weird, have a strange stare, communicate mainly with basic grunts and noises, and are extremely violent, randomly attacking and killing normal people that happen to cross their way.

To get back on topic, I also prefer the s8 footage. It suits the subject very well, and gives it a very "real" atmosphere. Probably because the s8 look is what we associate with real footage from that era. The mix with clean and modern looking 35mm, I don't know, suddenly it all seemed to clean and modern, and the costumes and makeups seem a little fake, especially in comparison to the more gritty footage. I'd give it a second thought about mixing the formats, and if s8 is to risky for a feature intentended for theatres (and perhaps even 16mm), I'd consider degrading the 35mm in post to give it more authentic 40s look.

I'm looking forward to see the movie, the idea is great and so is the trailer.

[scott]

I love it when a project is obviously so close to completion and folks here say things like "maybe you should rethink mixing formats......" It seems that the thinking on that subject has already been done.

Make YOUR movie, with YOUR vision. That is, after all, what it is all about.


Scott

[mattias]

I love it when a project is obviously so close to completion and folks here say things like "maybe you should rethink mixing formats......" It seems that the thinking on that subject has already been done.

nonsense. it's almost never too late to act on feedback. he's obviously already decided on mixing formats, but learning what people think about that can be very useful in later stages of editing. "oh, people think the 35mm footage stands out too much, maybe we should degrade it somehow?" even "fuck them, i know better" is a good decision to be forced to make.

Make YOUR movie, with YOUR vision. That is, after all, what it is all about.

oh come on...

/matt

[scott]

nonsense. it's almost never too late to act on feedback. he's obviously already decided on mixing formats, but learning what people think about that can be very useful in later stages of editing. "oh, people think the 35mm footage stands out too much, maybe we should degrade it somehow?" even "fuck them, i know better" is a good decision to be forced to make.

Mattias,

As I was typing my message, a little voice in my head told me that you would respond with something like "nonsense".

I didn't say that it was too late, I said that that thinking had probably already been done. I fully understand making changes late into a project - I have just shitcanned a boatload of footage to take a project in a completely new direction.

However, if at the completion of the project in its new direction, I am told I should have stuck with the old idea, my response would definitely be "Fuck them, I know better."

oh come on

Where are we going? What do you mean by this? Are you telling me that you don't see a vision of your project in you mind's eye and then try to bring that idea to completion? I don't think I'm alone on this.........

Scott

[sonnyboo]

In mattias defence, it also sounded like a bit of a dig to me.

I agree. There was a bit too much "Uuuhhh". But hey if it was intended as humor a few :lol: would have made it easier to recognize as humor.

C´mon people, use more :lol: 8) :roll: :oops: :evil: to show the "tone" of your writing!

By the way, I loved the trailer!

I must apologize to Mattias because it was intended as humor, but may not have been read that way.

Mattias is 100% right that it is NEVER too late to rethink something & good criticism can save a project if the people are open minded enough to see it, or as he stated - ignore it.

In one respect he's right... we already are not going with 35mm in the final edits, only super 16 and super 8. It's grittier & grainier & matches our concept better. This was a decision already made months before this post.

[audadvnc]

If you look at the Sonnyboo site you'll see that they had changed the 35mm footage somewhat for the first trailer. Looking at the production stills of their Ohio set I notice that the forest and fields are verdant and full of life - the trailer must have been desaturated to get a war-weary look to the landscape.

Jean's comments about the friends and neighbors turned to hostile masses sounds a bit like life in the post 9/11 midwest USA. Where's your yellow ribbon, buddy?

[paul]

It's grittier & grainier & matches our concept better.

I think so too. I liked the other footage and found the 35mm too "clean" looking.I doubt that is because of the format. I agree with Mattias'suggestion, that the 35mm might need another treatment. It has become quite clear to me why on 35mm often diffusion filters are used and why on 16mm there may be less use for it since you will not get the same sharpness as in 35mm.

All however is judged on very tiny frame format!

I would like to ask sonnyboo what he would do differently next time, when going with 35mm..

Liked the footage BTW.

Paul

[sonnyboo]

We have not changed the 35mm footage from the scene to the trailer. It's the same footage with no treatment, so I can't speak to that. Yes, we desaturated at the telecine stage fot the 35mm & 16mm, but I desatured the K40 super 8 myself. Two different colourists, I went with a straight transfer of super 8 so I could color match myself.

It all matches much better at higher resolutions, as even the MPEG1 compression kills a lot of grain & detail, but I think the plan to go primarily super 16 and also super 8 negative stocks is more for aesthetic reasons. The super 8 will be used mostly as quick combat coverage, POV shots, and flashbacks to make it used for purposeful uses, and not as a "mix" format going in between the higher resolution films.

Basically, the lesson learned for me was, you can do stylized mix format stuff, but you can't skip 1 level of size. IE - you can mix 35mm & 16mm, you can mix 16mm and super 8, but not 35mm and super 8. The images have way way way too much resolving differnce & they won't look right.

Has anyone used SPECTRA FILM & VIDEO yet?

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Again, I apologize to Mattias for writing a post that could be misread and misinterpretted. Let there not be bad feelings.

[ccortez]

there are no zombie Nazi's in reality

Giving it a second thought, I tend to disagree...

Me too. In fact, there's one in the White House!

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Jimmy% ... 0Live-.wmv

[mattias]

Let there not be bad feelings.

of course not. i apologize too. it was actually kind of funny and it was just the similarity in style from your first reply that caused me not to see it. :-)

/matt

[scott]

Let there not be bad feelings.

of course not. i apologize too. it was actually kind of funny and it was just the similarity in style from your first reply that caused me not to see it.

/matt

Damn Mattias. Keep this up and you are bound to fall off the "Take a vacation from the forum" poll!

It must be the 'nobody likes a critic factor', but sometimes you just rub me the wrong way. I think it's maybe just your writing style - you sometimes come off as rather blunt.

But as my wife and I have discovered, it's nearly impossible to determine the attitude in an internet message.

Scott

[mattias]

I think it's maybe just your writing style - you sometimes come off as rather blunt.

yeah. i can write in other ways too, but it's not as much fun and it takes longer if you have to explain what you really mean by what you're saying. :-)

/matt

[blanka]

nazi zombies.... kinda reminds me of spending 2 much time playing return to castle wolfenstien

stick all o mr romeros films ad "cross of iron" a lil dash of "the keep"
blend with he 4 resident evil games (not the films) and sprinkle with nasty

hell yes

i like the flavour mr bono

you gotta nail the zombie make up reaal tight, otherwise it all falls apart
(from a zombie film fans perspective)

[sonnyboo]

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i like the flavour mr bono
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That's Mister "BOO", not bono