Filming on a jetliner

Post by **mattias** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 12:00 pm

awand wrote:I don't like ImageReady. My favourite is Gif Movie Gear

well, that's because you're sitting in bill gates' lap while saying it. :-)

(more creative and political way of saying that your program doesn't run on my computer)

/matt

Post by **S8 Booster** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 12:05 pm

Here is a fancy one that I have tested but it is not free. However it is possible to get a free tryout version - for most platforms I believe.

http://www.boxtopsoft.com/gifmation.html

"If you're tired of playing around with GIF animation tools that either require you to get a Ph.D. before you start or don't give you the tools you need, we've got one suggestion-- toss 'em in the trash and grab GIFmation."

-- Sean Carton, Cool Tool of the Day

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mike · Post by **mike** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 6:32 am

Where can I get one of those funny looking projectors?
lol

If you shoot through windows, you will probably need a filter, a polarizer, i think, to eliminate the reflection and glare, unless thats what you want.

Post by **S8 Booster** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 1:53 pm

Just :idea: that I had some old :oops: miniVHS clips from 1987 that included a JAL 747 take-off from DÃƒÂ¼sseldorf. Despite the "famous" quality of VHS I like these takes. First time I ever held a Video cam in me hand and strived a lot not to cut all takes at about 3-6 secs (my S8 habit) but I got this right to catch the complete liftoff and break through the clouds. Note the 747 30m+ wings carrying approx 400 metric tons load flex down before takeoff and upwards in air. Great "ferry" that is.

Flight Route for this flight to Japan before the USSR opened their air space: Oslo - Copenhagen - Frankfurt - DÃƒÂ¼sseldrof - back over Norway and over the North Pole to Anchorage - Tokyo. Total travelling time of 27 hours almost like to Australia?. Normal flight route was Oslo - Copenhagen - Anchorage - Tokyo - a bit shorter for reference.

Movie: 1,186 kb
ftp://ftp.filmshooting.com/upload/video ... rf1987.mov

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Post by **S8 Booster** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:52 pm

Just adding a follower to the above clip.
The 1 st clip is of what I believe is the Yukon Valley in Alaska, surely Alaska East of Anchorage and the next two are from The Great City somewhere South Of The Morale Circle, Norway.

Clip: 1.67 mb (37 sec)
ftp://ftp.filmshooting.com/upload/video ... norway.mov

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Post by **vidwerk** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 7:12 pm

Well, I'm back from my trip and I managed to successfully avoid having my film carts X-rayed both leaving and returning. They will always ask you what the ASA is and tell you that the X-ray won't harm it. So I reply that it is an unusal film type with very high sensitivity. Their ingnorance worked in my favor and they did a manual inspection. I should have the 2 7240's back in a couple of days, and the 2 K40's in a couple of weeks. I'll let you know how it turns out.
Simon. :idea:

Post by **jessh** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:16 am

vidwerk wrote:Well, I'm back from my trip and I managed to successfully avoid having my film carts X-rayed both leaving and returning. They will always ask you what the ASA is and tell you that the X-ray won't harm it. So I reply that it is an unusal film type with very high sensitivity. Their ingnorance worked in my favor and they did a manual inspection.

Their ignorance doesn't really matter, as you are right, super8 film is much more sensative to x-ray than 35mm is because of the smaller negative size and the resulting necessary magnification.

Atleast in the US I believe they are required by FAA(?) regulations to hand inspect any film that you ask them to, although that doesn't mean they won't give you a hard time. Not long ago I travelled to Ireland, and I believe every airport I went through had a sign saying something about film under a certain ASA will not be affected, the interesting thing was that each airport's signs had a different number, and I have a feeling it wasn't because of differences in equipment.

Kodak's website has a lot of good information on the subject. Whenever the film is small enough and the amount is small enough I usually just try and throw it in my pockets.

oh, and if you ask for your film to be hand inspected expect the rest of your stuff to be searched as well, even if it already went through an x-ray machine, atleast that is my experiance....

~Jess

tfunch24--still lazy · Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:48 am

Jessh wrote:

oh, and if you ask for your film to be hand inspected expect the rest of your stuff to be searched as well, even if it already went through an x-ray machine, atleast that is my experiance....

If that is the case, I'm glad I decided to cancel my vacation to Portugal this summer and upgrade to a WorkPrinter, Jr., instead.

Tom

Angus · Post by **Angus** » Mon Feb 24, 2003 4:28 pm

I have never, ever, ever had a film damaged by an airport x-ray machine. I fly fairly frequently, often transatlantic, and I take a minimum of a dozen 35mm camera films with me and usually a few rolls of S8.

However the machines they are now installing in US airports *will* damage film. Basically what these 'new' machines (actually many are cast-offs from European airports which have been scanning for bombs since before Lockerbie) do a rough scan and then a concentrated burst of x-rays on suspect items - such as electronic cameras...and guess what, you normally store your films with your camera. They're considered out of date here in Europe but some US airports are using them because though they are older, they are good at detecting plastic explosives and the like sometimes missed by the conventional x-ray machines.

So the safest thing is to take your films in your carry-on bag. I now do this because when coming back from Las Vegas to London last month with 300 feet of exposed super 8 (+100 feet unexposed) and perhaps a dozen rolls of 35mm I was advised to move it from my luggage to my carry-on.

Then by international agreement you may demand that tha airport manually inspects your films and does not even put it through the x-ray for carry-on bags. However I've never bothered with this.

Types of film I have put through x-ray at airports include K40, 7240 and 'Quarzchrome' in S8 format and in 35mm anything from K25 up to 1600ASA colour neg and Ilford Delta 3200 B&W.....never had any problems at all.

If you are really worried you can get lead lined film canisters, but usually when the x-ray machine picks up these you will be asked to submit to a manual inspection of whatever bag your lead container is in.

An alternative might be to put all your films into a plastic shopping bag in your carry-on luggage, and remove it before placing your bag on the x-ray belt. Then if they want to inspect your plastic bag of films they can.

Angus · Post by **Angus** » Mon Feb 24, 2003 4:31 pm

Oh to get back to the subject line, I filmed on a jetliner last week over those mountains in France whose names I forget...on K40 with my Canon 514XL....should be nice footage...maybe I'll post some to the web and share.

Back when nobody worried about electronic devices on planes you could film takeoff and landing....whcih I did in 1988 on Agfa A40 film...might post that too if time permits!

Post by **vidwerk** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 3:34 pm

I picked up my florida film footage yesterday and it looks amazing. I managed to pick-up the shadow of the aircraft in the shot while we made our initial ascent, and it really adds to the overall perspective of the shot and shows just how fast the jet is really going. I shot this footage on VNF 7240. I haven't shot much K40 in my lifetime but I felt as though using a higher speed film like the 7240(with an 85b) was a good idea mainly because I was unsure if the window or cabin area would minimize the light.
Once I get a professional transfer done of my latest reels, I'll post some clips.
Take care, Simon. :idea:

Post by **S8 Booster** » Thu Feb 27, 2003 8:10 am

And idea for exceptional filming if you are lucky.

Twice I have seen a phenomenon that I really would have filmed or even taken a picture of but I never had a camera available then.

If your plane is flying not too high over white clouds, you are on a window seat and able to look down on the clouds, sun at your back you may be able to see the following scenario:

The sun hits the cloud as a bright white disk - not very big but big enough to visualize that your plane is projected/positioned in the middle of if while it moves on top of the uneven cloud surface.

On both occations I was this flying the "Milky Shuttle" Dash8 in Western Norway which sometimes make 5-10 minute flights to pass the long deep fjords that will take us a day to round with the car.

Typical scenario on one of the "airports". The pilot comes out of the cockpit, leaning on the side of door out of the plane telling us that we have to extend our stay time for a few minutes while we wait for an ambulance transport. While they rig the seats to fit a strecher we are allowed to go out for a fag if we like. Well, that was before Sep/11. Do not know now.

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