16mm forum on Shooting 8mm

Post by **focusgroup** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 9:08 pm

Respectfully - why compete with the best site for 16mm -cinematographer.com? 16mm is very different from 8mm primarily from a cost viewpoint as well as hobbyist vs pro discussion. Do you feel we might be able to offer advice better than the asc guys?

Perhaps there may be a risk of spreading the focus of this website.

Post by **Scotness** » Sat Feb 08, 2003 10:39 pm

Well I must recant a bit - I agree with Roger - and I do actually think some answers here will be better than the ones on the 16mm forum on cinematography.com because low budget/creative people can often think out of the box more than proffessionals who can just pay there way out of any problem (a generalisation of course but often true - and one very applicable here because most of us don't have alot of money but are trying to do the most we can with our film making - whatever the gauge). I also agree with Jukkasil perhaps the thing to do is rename the forum and encourage more input from other people on other small gauges - not just 16 but also 9.5 (which surely would have to be the best or cleverest small gauge). So yes more of other gauges but in this forum!

my 1.1 cents (Aussie dollar is low compared to the greenback

Scot

Post by **wallnuts** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 9:30 am

Overall, I am very happy with this forum. Generally, everyone here thinks about film in about the same way I do. I am not a professional filmmaker by any strech of amagination, but there are very good techincal answers to technical problems and with some of the answers, it gets quite impressive!

Post by **mattias** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 12:10 pm

focusgroup wrote:16mm is very different from 8mm primarily from a cost viewpoint as well as hobbyist vs pro discussion.

not necessarily. i'm working a lot with 16 mm professionally, but not as a cinematographer. i'm a director and editor and all this cameras and film stuff is just for fun, even though i do have a professional background in still photography. anyway, i clearly see the difference between renting 16mm cameras with video taps and all that, shooting color negative, transferring on spirit machines and so on, and owning your own k-3 or bolex, shooting reversal film, home developing, workprinter or other film chain setups, splicing tape, sound sync issues and so on. i feel this forum is for the latter, and then the gap between the formats isn't that large. don't you agree?

Do you feel we might be able to offer advice better than the asc guys?

yes i do as a matter of fact. they will usually respond to most "amateur" questions with "don't bother", "35mm would be cheaper" or "talk to duart". :-)

/matt

Post by **Lucas Lightfeat** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 1:51 pm

I'm inclined to agree Mattias. We are working with 60s. 70s and early 80s equipment and using some techniques from that time, whereas timecode and NLE EDLs, auto-conforming etc. are a bit beyond us, technologically speaking. We may discuss blowing 8mm up to 35mm, but those that have done it, well I don't think there's many of them around here. 16mm is better discussed here, is what I'm saying, as it is done old, old style, or else on video, much like super8 film-making.

OT: I am of the opinion that if they could make great independant films in the 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s, with low tech, we're already in a fairly luxurious position by comparison, even with Super8. It can be done. There's nothing in our way, technologicaly. We simply don't *need* timecode and all that stuff. What we really need is good scripts and dedication to telling a great story!

Lucas

Post by **Old Uncle Barry** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 6:58 pm

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In reply to Lucas Lughtfest comments.How right you are.Back in the fifties and sixties,amateurs were film on 8mm & 16mm with the absolute minimum of gear.None of it fancy but they turned out some terriffic short films.
8mm or 16mm they all had the same objective-enjoying themselves and creating something with nothing (practically).So let us all,8mm or 16mm
(yes 9.5mm too) trade worldwide on this forum our knowledge and stories.

Post by **David M. Leugers** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 8:07 pm

Interesting discussion, and I admit, I've been a little on the fence about it. I do think that the people on this site are more of the "do it yourself, independant" type of film maker. I doubt many of us own 16mm cameras of the Arri and Aaton types. I personally would love a forum for the Bolex, Bell and Howell, Auricon etc type of user. Lots to be learned from one another. I don't want it to detract from the main focus of this website, but I think it would be a very welcome addition IMHO. So, I vote to have a new 16mm forum and not to mix it within the 8mm forum. Makes it easier that way to organize and navigate.

David M. Leugers

Post by **Scotness** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 11:00 pm

There is actually a forum dedicated to the Beaulieu R16 camera:

http://pub80.ezboard.com/fbeaulieur16usersfrm1

Scot!

Post by **S8 Booster** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 11:15 am

The main page of this site also has http://www.filmshooting.com/ as domain name. Filmshooting.com covers any format any amateur can afford at any time,

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YouTube · Post by **Andreas Wideroe** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 11:39 am

Ok, there will not be a 16mm forum, atleast not at the present time. I'll also rename the General 8mm Forum into something that might work a little better.

Personally I agree with those of you who would like to see 16mm posts in the General 8mm forum. I believe this forum covers what's between 8mm and 16mm in a good way and I'd like to keep it like this.

Regarding the filmshooting.com site. When I first got the domain back in 2000 I was thinking about making both a 16mm and 8mm site (also 35mm!!), however there are lots of the other sites and I don't have any (much) experience with those formats. Therefore it became difficult to fill those planned sites with content. Now I only want to work with this 8mm site.. 8mm is smaller, but more fun in a way.

http://filmshooting.com
http://www.filmshooting.com
http://www.8mm.filmshooting.com
http://8mm.filmshooting.com

- all point to the same site and server.

All the best - and remember: Your feedback is ALWAYS welcome!

/Andreas

YouTube · Post by **Andreas Wideroe** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 11:44 am

DriveIn wrote:Would the 16mm site mirror this one if it were separated, or would it simply be another forum under the 8mm.filmshooting.com site?
Shooting 16mm?
16mm.filmshooting.com?

It would simply be another forum under 8mm.filmshooting.com, but it could ofcourse also be under the name 16mm.filmshooting.com (which I used to have, but recently deleted). Btw. getting a subdomain Ie. 16mm.filmshooting.com (subdomain.maindomain.com) doesn't cost me anything.

/Andreas

16mm forum on Shooting 8mm

What is the demand for a separate 16mm forum here on Shooting 8mm?