my new 16mm setup

Post by **mattias** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:19 pm

isn't this a beauty? i've loaded it with a roll of tri-x and i'll post some results soon.

/matt

Post by **ccortez** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:23 pm

perfect.

Post by **marc** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:58 pm

Mattias,
Is that Som Berthiot (17-85?) sharp enough for you? I know that that was one of the early zoom lenses. Also, that looks like a Keystone movie camera. How is the registration on that one? I have been led to believe that those cameras don't have a true speed governing system and can produce erratic exposure after much use.

Post by **mattias** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:03 pm

i'm pretty sure it's not "sharp enough", even though it looks sharper through the viewfinder than i would have imagined, and the camera speed is indeed a little unpredictable, but that's sort of the point. i love using equipment agains all odds, where everything is unpredictable and you start doubting whether you'll get any image at all -- and then you do and it's the happiest happiness. i rent "real" cameras when i need to get some work done but it's never as exciting to get a 400 footer from an arri sr3 back from the lab, even though it's more fun than video.

/matt

Post by **T-Scan** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 pm

i love using equipment agains all odds, where everything is unpredictable and you start doubting whether you'll get any image at all

I was shooting with an old H16 wind up yesterday for a class project, when the side panal popped off.. hopefully not much got exposed, so I taped er shut and kept going :?

Post by **downix** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:05 pm

Hmm... hmm... where have I seen that setup before? Oh yeah, on my kitchen table, sans I'm missing the eyepiece, making the Bethoit less-than-ideal at the moment.

Post by **nonkjo** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:37 am

Wow, nice. I'd really be interested in seeing the images this cam produces when you get it processed.
I've seen those Som lenses on ebay a lot and have always wanted to get one but I always hesitate and poof, it's gone.
Kinda OT but I've always wondered how well one of those lenses would work with Ikonoskop's A-Cam since it takes a c-mount lense.

James Green

Post by **mattias** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:19 am

nonkjo wrote:Kinda OT but I've always wondered how well one of those lenses would work with Ikonoskop's A-Cam since it takes a c-mount lense.

i'll test that too if they let me.

/matt

Post by **jean** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:06 am

My wild guess: Very soft wide open, and flares as soon as a light source approaches the happy filmer. Closed down it should be a sharper and show more contrast. This applies to most old lenses (40+, or surely older than most forum members here)..

I have SOM for my Arri, never used it so far since it's a little fogged. But I'll film some random stuff for a few seconds to see the results, perhaps it's better than I imagine and a useful look for something.

Mattias, the setup looks cool. I always liked the wind-up cameras, this alone is a lot of fun - and no hassle with power! Looks like a lot of fun!

Post by **Meltwater Hawk** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:34 pm

I'm always impressed with people's setups and never happy with my own haha! Seriously though, it looks really great and I too eagerly await the results. Did you buy all this together or piece it?

Post by BK » Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:32 am

Cool! I have this same lens (in black colour) with a Bolex H16 Reflex a while back from the flea market, I saved it literally from ending up in a landfill according to the seller.

Not shot anything with it though and I was wondering if you have to compensate for the light loss with that prism finder when you calculate your exposure? Or the markings on the lens already takes that into account already?

When this lens first came out i believe it costed more than the body of the H16 reflex. Very interested in seeing the results, sure it'll be a certain look, pin sharp corner to corner isn't always a good thing.

Bill

Post by **MovieStuff** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:03 am

mattias wrote:isn't this a beauty?

Hah! I love the lighting and soft lens flares on the chrome. I dub your camera "Garbo", because the last time I saw portrait lighting like that was a black and white shot of Greta Garbo. This looks exactly the same. Cool!

Roger

Post by **monobath** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:10 am

MovieStuff wrote:
mattias wrote:isn't this a beauty?
Hah! I love the lighting and soft lens flares on the chrome. I dub your camera "Garbo", because the last time I saw portrait lighting like that was a black and white shot of Greta Garbo. This looks exactly the same. Cool!

Roger

Yes, it's the Garbo! Great name.

I love this Edward Steichen photo of Greta Garbo. I'd love to see an original print.

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Post by **MovieStuff** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:58 am

mattias wrote:ii love using equipment agains all odds, where everything is unpredictable and you start doubting whether you'll get any image at all

Then you must love super 8! ;)

mattias wrote:and then you do and it's the happiest happiness.

Hah! I love that term - "Happiest happiness". I'm gonna remember and use that. Sorta like the Department of Redundancy Department but more clever. Or what that be clever-er? Whatever. Happiest Happiness. That's pretty damned happy!

Roger

Post by BK » Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:24 am

mattias wrote:isn't this a beauty? i've loaded it with a roll of tri-x and i'll post some results soon.

Hello Matthias,

did you have to compensate for the light absortion of the prism finder in calculating exposure using this lens? If so, how much, open half a stop? I have the same lens on my Bolex but I don't have the instruction booklet for the lens.

How did the film turned out by the way?

Thanks in advance

Bill

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