THE FUTURE OF SUPER 8

Post by **PITIRRE** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:50 pm

[quote="wahiba"]- we aren't really film makers. We are film users -

That means that soon we are going to see "A STEVEN SPIELBERG FILM USER"

Post by **Lunar07** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:29 pm

wahiba wrote: - we aren't really film makers. We are film users -

Wahiba - Please keep the quotations correct in this discussion - the above was written by Roger. Not you! I say that so we do not get into the following situation:

PITIRRE wrote:
wahiba wrote:- we aren't really film makers. We are film users -
That means that soon we are going to see "A STEVEN SPIELBERG FILM USER"

Where PITIRRE thought it was you who wrote that.
And you PITIRRE - I thought you were following the discussion - but apparently not since you are misquoting others.

(this was a message of the Maltese Dragon Knights of Quotation Guardians).

Post by **timdrage** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:13 pm

I realise this is only monochrome, but the genesis of DIY film is there.

Wow, that would be somthing, actually manufacturing your own film stock from scratch! Hardcore! 8O

I read a while back about developing photos using coffee, maybe some similarly lo-fi chemicals could make film! I suspect it's not that easy though!

You need silver I suppose too...

But remember: not so very long ago some guys without modern technology invented photographic emulsion in a fairly homemade way, so it can always be recreated by someone dedicated enough!

Anyway, once we all have nanotechnology-based 3D object replicators connected to our computers we'll just be able to download an open source emulation of K40 and print out as many cartridges of it as we want!

Post by **Scotness** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:18 pm

As long as film is used for projection there will always be film stocks that people can slit and perf down to Super 8 (although that will be expensive ie "Pro"8mm) -- so I'd be more worried about digital projection than digital cameras taking over. And I don't really know what the likelihood/economic factors of that world wide is.

I think when or if quantum computers become a working reality then film cameras will be a thing of the past because the camcorders will be powerful enough to mimic what is happening on a molecular level in the film emulsion and will be able to give quite a film like result - which they still can't now - but as Roger pointed out most people don't care anyway because the standard is good acceptable enough now for them.

I feel reasonably sure that we've got at least another 10-20 years of Super 8 being around - and at affordable prices as well.

Scot

Post by **Scotness** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:12 pm

And what Tim said - because anyone who remakes Monty Python in Lego has got to know what he's on about

Scot

Post by **BonnutFilmStudio** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:15 pm

sarmoti wrote:I agree with you Bonnut.

I'd be surprised if the Sony Cinealta goes for more than a couple grand on Ebay then.

Of coarse, because these companies love making things obsolete, I could probably pick up a Sony Cinealta at good will for 10 bucks in 20 years. Which brings me to another point. You can use a 60 film camera, if it works, and still have the format it takes. 16mm will nevre change. How many incarnations of video have we seen in only 20 years? Video 8mm, VHS, Betamax, VHS-C, 8mm Digital, 2-inch tape, MiniDV, Mini DV Pro (which is different than miniDV and needs a specific camera), and now DVD cameras. All this is going on and my pervectly fine, k-40 never changes in double that time. What looks like a better investment to you? Personally It's nice to me to be able to have the same equipment I've been using for years never having to worry about it becoming obsolete. How many video based editing suites have changed in 10 years and similar has my 16mm and super 8 editing set up remained relatively unchanged in the same 10 years.

Post by **sarmoti** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:18 am

Yeah, and you just listed about a quarter of the formats that have come and gone in the last 20 years. In the pro market there's been 3/4", 3/4"SP, M, MII, Betacam, Betacam SP, 2", 1", D1, D2, D3, D5, D6, DVC Pro, DVCPRO 50, DVCAM, DV, Betacam SX, Digital Betacam, IMX, DCT, and there's quite a few more. Half of those formats are considered dead.

Post by **Sparky** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:46 am

Anyway, once we all have nanotechnology-based 3D object replicators connected to our computers we'll just be able to download an open source emulation of K40 and print out as many cartridges of it as we want! icon_biggrin.gif

Now you're talking!
The company that I used to work for has just bought a 3D printer that prints in starch- pretty cheap to run at least!- takes many hours per print but I've been trained on K40

I regard 3D printers as much an essential in every home as a microscope (preferably electron scanning), an oscilloscope, and a high speed digital camera (at least 500fps) I think soon our needs will be met - its not all bad! (I'll still choose to film super8 or whatevers available cos we're light years away from emulating that look.

Mark

YouTube · Post by **wahiba** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:44 am

I reckon the last format standing will be regular-8/standard-8 as all those clockwork cameras are going to outlast the rest. Especially Bell & Howell Sportsters, Bolex and the Russian Quarz range.

By the way, I put my hands up to getting the quoting wrong, I do not seem to have mastered the system. Must write a script on how it is done and practise more!

Post by **BonnutFilmStudio** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:59 pm

BonnutFilmStudio wrote:
sarmoti wrote:I agree with you Bonnut.

I'd be surprised if the Sony Cinealta goes for more than a couple grand on Ebay then.
Of coarse, because these companies love making things obsolete, I could probably pick up a Sony Cinealta at good will for 10 bucks in 20 years. Which brings me to another point. You can use a 60 year old film camera, if it works, and still have the format it takes. 16mm will nevre change. How many incarnations of video have we seen in only 20 years? Video 8mm, VHS, Betamax, VHS-C, 8mm Digital, 2-inch tape, MiniDV, Mini DV Pro (which is different than miniDV and needs a specific camera), and now DVD cameras. All this is going on and my pervectly fine, k-40 never changes in double that time. What looks like a better investment to you? Personally It's nice to me to be able to have the same equipment I've been using for years never having to worry about it becoming obsolete. How many video based editing suites have changed in 10 years and similar has my 16mm and super 8 editing set up remained relatively unchanged in the same 10 years.

Sorry, disregard this. Meant to edit it not quote it