When the super 8 cart dies, and trust me on this one, SOMEONE will fabricate an adapter to run FUJI single 8 cartridges in super 8 cameras, just like that guy in Japan who modified his Canon 1014XLS to take Single 8!!!
Where there is a will, there is way. It may be expensive, but there will be a way.
Now, if only I can keep my old Mustang passing California smog check each year! The evil blue meanies are out there in force on all fronts!
Cheers,
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Hmm... KACCEMAS will last forever and, may easily be copiedsuper8man wrote:When the super 8 cart dies, and trust me on this one, SOMEONE will fabricate an adapter to run FUJI single 8 cartridges in super 8 cameras, just like that guy in Japan who modified his Canon 1014XLS to take Single 8!!!
Cheers,
m
Hmmmm.... aren´t veteran cars omitted from smog jobs?super8man wrote: Now, if only I can keep my old Mustang passing California smog check each year! The evil blue meanies are out there in force on all fronts!
Cheers,
m
How old is it? 29? in a year then? :lol:
Ahh...... or get your self a 60s Shelby.
No smog job guaranteed :?:
Well... no idea.
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..tnx for reminding me Michael Lehnert.... or Santo or.... cinematography.com super8 - the forum of Rednex, Wannabees and Pretenders...
Is there anything on the web about that?super8man wrote:When the super 8 cart dies, and trust me on this one, SOMEONE will fabricate an adapter to run FUJI single 8 cartridges in super 8 cameras, just like that guy in Japan who modified his Canon 1014XLS to take Single 8!!!
Where there is a will, there is way. It may be expensive, but there will be a way.
Now, if only I can keep my old Mustang passing California smog check each year! The evil blue meanies are out there in force on all fronts!
Cheers,
m
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Cool, heated debate!
Hey Brownie manny there may be more standard 8 cameras out there but I think it's pretty much a super 8 world when it comes to which are used the most. Standard 8 was around for a good long time before super 8 arrive and video arrived quite soon after that so super 8 didn't get the chance to run for it's money.
8O Very surprised by supermag's inventor. His point of view is at odds with his interest. Why is he manufactufacturing to supply an obvious demand when he thinks that film will die out? Wasted effort or pointless excersise. Try flogging your product and don't let anyone put down film. Get some marketing lessons.
Sound film, well yup I'd agree. Kodak told me that the reason it stopped was two fold. A: The demand was low and the profit margine thinner than a nat's pubic hair, and B: There was a required change in the way the soundtrack was applied to the film to meet 'new' health and safety regulations the cost of which far exceeded justification.
But stop one moment because deman for all things super 8 has been on the up for the last 10 years and what have we been shouting for most? - Sound Film. That's why Wittner Kinotek have been selling the stuff.
Whatever way you look at this thing, there will alway be the enthusiast.
Steam train finished on British railway lines in the mid 60s but we all love them. There are engines over 100 years old still going. God I'm running an early 40s RCA Photophone amplifier and I have a 1930s 9.5mm camera and projector which have seen continued use. On my stairwell is a complete Kalee 12 system (1940/1) operational and bought to be used.
Don't get me wrong, I like the modern stuff too and in my home cinema there is a video projector alongside the Elmo and my video footage is shot in 2x anamorphic and projected in full ratio to the 11ft screen. But all things in their place.
It pleases me greatly to walk into Jessops and see a good quantity of super 8 on their shelves along with all the other stuff. It feels even better when I buy one or two- you can sense the people either side looking in amazement with the thought in their heads- "Hey this guy is into motion imaging, he must be cleverer than me!"
Even if Kodak stop super 8 someone will make a stock to satisfy demand. What about the cartridge, so what I say, just get some of those Swema reloadables from good old Russia. Sensible idea I think.
9.5mm stock is still made but not, as far as I know, by Fuji although it is Fuji film that is available. As long as there is a stock in any other larger format someone will slit and perf to demand.
Image stability- don't forget that little gadget from Kinotek (with a big price) that improves super 8 stability.
Aging cameras- standard 8s and 9.5s are no newer and they are holding up fine. Look after your camera and it will serve you well and meantime buy as many more as you can or buy a NEW one from Pro 8mm.
Clearly somebody on the "28 Days" crew didn't get in about promoting the new cameras from Pro 8 or the Supermag 400 and stock supplies from Kino- you let the side down badly man!
By the way video tape might last longer than you think. I've heard mention in retailing circles of Digital VHS which offers a far superior result to DVD so it could be the reverse with DVD not going the distance. Having said that I'm sure it will get a better innings than 8 track cassette or Laserdisc.
There have been masses more film formats than video, how many of you have ever shot 3mm? That's a gem NASA used in the Apollo missions. But the truth does seem to be that there are enough big director praising film to keep it going even when Kodak has both barrels aimed at their sandles.
Remember Spielberg was the man who made a mainstream Black & White movie and sold it at the Box office. Tarentino also used BW in Kill Bill. Old monochrome was dead when the Eastman negative arrived in 1950.
Cost of film, well monochrome was the cheapest, now it's expensive but still sold readily. Color was expensive but now it is cheapest of all.
Costs fluctuate according to demands of the times. Things are dearest at the start and then anytime something else comes along but prices stay settled once the waves have died down. Super 8 is now cheaper than it has ever been. In the 1980s I saw sound film rise from £8.50 in 1985 to £17.99. Silent rose from £6.35 in 85 to £13.99 in 1997 but now it is £11.99.
The price increase has slowed down and actually dropped back to a 1992 price yet this is 13 years later. It's cheap because inflation is down and demand is up.
Hey Brownie manny there may be more standard 8 cameras out there but I think it's pretty much a super 8 world when it comes to which are used the most. Standard 8 was around for a good long time before super 8 arrive and video arrived quite soon after that so super 8 didn't get the chance to run for it's money.
8O Very surprised by supermag's inventor. His point of view is at odds with his interest. Why is he manufactufacturing to supply an obvious demand when he thinks that film will die out? Wasted effort or pointless excersise. Try flogging your product and don't let anyone put down film. Get some marketing lessons.
Sound film, well yup I'd agree. Kodak told me that the reason it stopped was two fold. A: The demand was low and the profit margine thinner than a nat's pubic hair, and B: There was a required change in the way the soundtrack was applied to the film to meet 'new' health and safety regulations the cost of which far exceeded justification.
But stop one moment because deman for all things super 8 has been on the up for the last 10 years and what have we been shouting for most? - Sound Film. That's why Wittner Kinotek have been selling the stuff.
Whatever way you look at this thing, there will alway be the enthusiast.
Steam train finished on British railway lines in the mid 60s but we all love them. There are engines over 100 years old still going. God I'm running an early 40s RCA Photophone amplifier and I have a 1930s 9.5mm camera and projector which have seen continued use. On my stairwell is a complete Kalee 12 system (1940/1) operational and bought to be used.
Don't get me wrong, I like the modern stuff too and in my home cinema there is a video projector alongside the Elmo and my video footage is shot in 2x anamorphic and projected in full ratio to the 11ft screen. But all things in their place.
It pleases me greatly to walk into Jessops and see a good quantity of super 8 on their shelves along with all the other stuff. It feels even better when I buy one or two- you can sense the people either side looking in amazement with the thought in their heads- "Hey this guy is into motion imaging, he must be cleverer than me!"
Even if Kodak stop super 8 someone will make a stock to satisfy demand. What about the cartridge, so what I say, just get some of those Swema reloadables from good old Russia. Sensible idea I think.
9.5mm stock is still made but not, as far as I know, by Fuji although it is Fuji film that is available. As long as there is a stock in any other larger format someone will slit and perf to demand.
Image stability- don't forget that little gadget from Kinotek (with a big price) that improves super 8 stability.
Aging cameras- standard 8s and 9.5s are no newer and they are holding up fine. Look after your camera and it will serve you well and meantime buy as many more as you can or buy a NEW one from Pro 8mm.
Clearly somebody on the "28 Days" crew didn't get in about promoting the new cameras from Pro 8 or the Supermag 400 and stock supplies from Kino- you let the side down badly man!
By the way video tape might last longer than you think. I've heard mention in retailing circles of Digital VHS which offers a far superior result to DVD so it could be the reverse with DVD not going the distance. Having said that I'm sure it will get a better innings than 8 track cassette or Laserdisc.
There have been masses more film formats than video, how many of you have ever shot 3mm? That's a gem NASA used in the Apollo missions. But the truth does seem to be that there are enough big director praising film to keep it going even when Kodak has both barrels aimed at their sandles.
Remember Spielberg was the man who made a mainstream Black & White movie and sold it at the Box office. Tarentino also used BW in Kill Bill. Old monochrome was dead when the Eastman negative arrived in 1950.
Cost of film, well monochrome was the cheapest, now it's expensive but still sold readily. Color was expensive but now it is cheapest of all.
Costs fluctuate according to demands of the times. Things are dearest at the start and then anytime something else comes along but prices stay settled once the waves have died down. Super 8 is now cheaper than it has ever been. In the 1980s I saw sound film rise from £8.50 in 1985 to £17.99. Silent rose from £6.35 in 85 to £13.99 in 1997 but now it is £11.99.
The price increase has slowed down and actually dropped back to a 1992 price yet this is 13 years later. It's cheap because inflation is down and demand is up.
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More telling than anyones' opinion is what is going on worldwide. In South America and China TV shows are being shot on film - for the first time ever after shooting for years on video. More TV shows in the USA are being shot on S-16mm with digital post instead of shooting video. A good example is "Monk" on USA network. Big hits like "Sex in the City" ran for years with every episode shot on 16mm. It is a viable choice and many are going for it due to the advances in film technology. Take a bow Kodak. We hear on this site much too often negative input about Kodak that just seems a little ill informed to me. If you prefer the look of a different manufacturers film stock, fine. I see no evidence whatsoever of any company doing more for the future of film than Kodak. If you don't believe me check Kodak out on their website, or put up some definitive facts to show how other companies.. well no one else is still making S-8mm film... I will not put too much faith in anything someone claims about the longevity of video, tape or otherwise. We KNOW film well kept will last at least a century. Keep shooting film and it will live. I trust no other medium to record my family. The all digital cinema is a Trojan Horse. Once established it will kill off the very industry that took it in. I just wish some producer will have the guts to shoot a feature in 65mm for roadshow prints like in the past. With the growing number of IMAX screens a 70mm print of the right epic would show what film is capable of.
BTW, no disrespect to Speilberg, but it was Scorsese with "Raging Bull" in 1980 that won the Best Picture and Best Cinematography in B+W (the only oscar for photagraphy to go to a B+W film since they quit having separate awards for color and B+W in the later 1960's). 8)
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BTW, no disrespect to Speilberg, but it was Scorsese with "Raging Bull" in 1980 that won the Best Picture and Best Cinematography in B+W (the only oscar for photagraphy to go to a B+W film since they quit having separate awards for color and B+W in the later 1960's). 8)
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Great posts!
Yes, you are right Jordan, Regular 8mm rules in many many ways. Gotta love those metal cameras with rock solid registration. Though, I still prefer the electronic timing of the better super 8 cameras...dilemmas dilemmas.
Booster, my car is an 82 and I have to pass smog every two years...Luckily, carbuerated cars are rahter easy to pass if you no what to do to them. But that's another board/discussion.
David: you are right too on the Raging Bull thing. And yes, I do see more of a trend to film where it is applied correctly for the right look and texture of the message/story. Man, I should move to China!!
Now I feel like Gilligan
Gilligan: Your're right Professor. You're right too MaryAnn. Good point Ginger.
Skipper: Gilligan, they all can't be right.
Gilligan: You're right too Skipper!
Oh, my initial comment was that IF the super 8 cart dies, people will find a way. The Russian reloadable are definitely one way to go. Though, I prefer the Single 8 in a super 8 camera method...TOTALLY ROCKS for us technojunkies.
Seacrest, I mean, Super8man Out!
Yes, you are right Jordan, Regular 8mm rules in many many ways. Gotta love those metal cameras with rock solid registration. Though, I still prefer the electronic timing of the better super 8 cameras...dilemmas dilemmas.
Booster, my car is an 82 and I have to pass smog every two years...Luckily, carbuerated cars are rahter easy to pass if you no what to do to them. But that's another board/discussion.
David: you are right too on the Raging Bull thing. And yes, I do see more of a trend to film where it is applied correctly for the right look and texture of the message/story. Man, I should move to China!!
Now I feel like Gilligan
Gilligan: Your're right Professor. You're right too MaryAnn. Good point Ginger.
Skipper: Gilligan, they all can't be right.
Gilligan: You're right too Skipper!
Oh, my initial comment was that IF the super 8 cart dies, people will find a way. The Russian reloadable are definitely one way to go. Though, I prefer the Single 8 in a super 8 camera method...TOTALLY ROCKS for us technojunkies.
Seacrest, I mean, Super8man Out!
My website - check it out...
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Re: the link to "Saddest Music..."
Guy Maddin also shot his latest film "Cowards Bend the Knee" wholly on super 8... and he's in Seattle right now filming his new film "The Brand Upon the Brain" on Super 8 (Tri-X I think). A few friends working on the production mentioned they were shooting 15 to 20 Carts a day at 18fps...
...which isn't to say that a positive future for Super 8 is assured, but it's nice to know, eh?
Darby
Guy Maddin also shot his latest film "Cowards Bend the Knee" wholly on super 8... and he's in Seattle right now filming his new film "The Brand Upon the Brain" on Super 8 (Tri-X I think). A few friends working on the production mentioned they were shooting 15 to 20 Carts a day at 18fps...
...which isn't to say that a positive future for Super 8 is assured, but it's nice to know, eh?
Darby
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Any idea what cameras they're using - do they use the pressure plate -- are these films shot with a blow up in mind or straight for TV/DVD?Dcm wrote:Re: the link to "Saddest Music..."
Guy Maddin also shot his latest film "Cowards Bend the Knee" wholly on super 8... and he's in Seattle right now filming his new film "The Brand Upon the Brain" on Super 8 (Tri-X I think). A few friends working on the production mentioned they were shooting 15 to 20 Carts a day at 18fps...
...which isn't to say that a positive future for Super 8 is assured, but it's nice to know, eh?
Darby
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Anybody here know Mr. Maddin? We gotta get that guy and his crew on this forum!Dcm wrote:Re: the link to "Saddest Music..."
Guy Maddin also shot his latest film "Cowards Bend the Knee" wholly on super 8... and he's in Seattle right now filming his new film "The Brand Upon the Brain" on Super 8 (Tri-X I think). A few friends working on the production mentioned they were shooting 15 to 20 Carts a day at 18fps...
...which isn't to say that a positive future for Super 8 is assured, but it's nice to know, eh?
Darby
As far as I know they're using two cameras: A canon 1014 provided by Wiggly World Studios here in Seattle and Guy's own camera... not sure what kind.
And I'm sad to report that while I had an opportunity to ask him all sorts of questions myself, I ended up talking about literature and the weather in Seattle for about 10 minutes. That's it. I'll squeeze more technical info from my friends as they get into the editing process.
dcm
And I'm sad to report that while I had an opportunity to ask him all sorts of questions myself, I ended up talking about literature and the weather in Seattle for about 10 minutes. That's it. I'll squeeze more technical info from my friends as they get into the editing process.
dcm
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I'm torn on Guy Maddin. On one hand, it's great he's shooting all this stuff on super 8. On the other, he's trying to make it look like bad film and he's part of the problem as it were. All those loads of vasaline on the filters and stuff, multi-generation copying to try and look like it was shot in the 1920's and is a multi-generational print. On one hand he's an interesting film-maker, on the other hand there's a good case for calling him a hack who's only got a box of recycled tricks and sophmoric gags. And certainly any times he was given a budget, his films became unqualified financial disasters. None of them generated a sustainable audience or even broke even money-wise except for a short or two. Most of them aren't any good. Period. But yet he's got a fantastic short in HEART OF THE WORLD. And SADDEST MUSIC was an okay film. ARCHANGEL and CAREFUL have a lot of funny gags, but nothing in the way of a coherent story that means one can sit through them and watch them all the way through. They seem to work much better on DVD and watching bits and pieces at a time. They seem more clever that way.ccortez wrote:Anybody here know Mr. Maddin? We gotta get that guy and his crew on this forum!Dcm wrote:Re: the link to "Saddest Music..."
Guy Maddin also shot his latest film "Cowards Bend the Knee" wholly on super 8... and he's in Seattle right now filming his new film "The Brand Upon the Brain" on Super 8 (Tri-X I think). A few friends working on the production mentioned they were shooting 15 to 20 Carts a day at 18fps...
...which isn't to say that a positive future for Super 8 is assured, but it's nice to know, eh?
Darby
Yep, I don't know whether to support him or denounce him. Unfortunately with the way funding works in this country, the public's overwhelming vote against him on everything that goes in the theatre (ie: they aren't interested and vote "no" by not buying tickets) doesn't mean much. Nor would mine. Others decide whether I support him or not. It's a pretty messed up system Canada's got when I think about it. No wonder we have no sustainable film industry here. The people's votes don't count in a socialist funding filmmaking system!
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I've only seen one of his films- Careless, which I stumbled accross while channel hopping a few years back, and I was glued to my seat. Its rare to find stuff like that that really makes your eyes pop out- I was mesmerised! I do intend to track down more of his films, and maybe you're right that hes "only got a box of recycled tricks" but I for one havent seen much like it before.On one hand, it's great he's shooting all this stuff on super 8. On the other, he's trying to make it look like bad film and he's part of the problem as it were.
Of course he only uses super8 for a "crappy" look- but its beautiful (I think he used some super8 in Careless) He would be an absolute idiot if he were only using it for cost reasons. His choice of style fits it perfectly. It would be futile to try and make a "regular " movie with super8 as you'd get hugely better results with larger formats, but to enter into a magic other world where details are sketchy and images intentionally obscure, it seems perfect.
Don' they say that great designs come about because of severe limitations (or something like that :? )- well you can't get much more limited than 8mm film!
Give the Guy a break- hes doing it
Mark