I shot an roll of K-40 indoors with halogen lights (1000 watt). As most of you probably know it came out a bit yellow. I'm not sure if it was the absence of other colors or over-saturated yellow. Anyway, I do a lot of computer editing and was wondering if I'd be better trying to restore the "natural" looking colors there or consider getting a filter.
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filter
Moderator: Andreas Wideroe
Having the right filter on when shooting of course saves you some time later on, but I've been thinking about this a bit and I thought I'd ask you guys what you think.
If you're like me and always transfer to video, you'll probably take full advantage of the digital tools available to you. And you probably do a bit of color correcting, because the colors never turn out the way you want (not for me at least, and I guess a lot of you have seen what magic the professionals can do. Like the color grading session in the special features of LOTR and the double disc version of Se7en). What I'm thinking is ;
Are we better off putting the least amount of inexpensive glass in front of the lens(or the built in filter), and just do that part in post?
If you're like me and always transfer to video, you'll probably take full advantage of the digital tools available to you. And you probably do a bit of color correcting, because the colors never turn out the way you want (not for me at least, and I guess a lot of you have seen what magic the professionals can do. Like the color grading session in the special features of LOTR and the double disc version of Se7en). What I'm thinking is ;
Are we better off putting the least amount of inexpensive glass in front of the lens(or the built in filter), and just do that part in post?
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bobby
filters and film colours
i personally think, as im a bit of a tradionalist, that filters and light gels should be used at the time of filming for several reasons. the first being that and computer "digital" enhancement looks just that, digital - fake. you can generally tell when a film has been graded through a digital process.
second is that if you have taken the time and expense to purchase film over video then why resort back to the modern ways. to me super 8 should never be touched by any modern process, it should be spliced and viewed on a projector not turned into a serious of 0's and 1's.
however if you do insist of grading that get it down the old fashioned way when you get your film telecined.
but i am a tradionalist film maker who thought 'star wars:attack of the clones' looked like a computer game!
second is that if you have taken the time and expense to purchase film over video then why resort back to the modern ways. to me super 8 should never be touched by any modern process, it should be spliced and viewed on a projector not turned into a serious of 0's and 1's.
however if you do insist of grading that get it down the old fashioned way when you get your film telecined.
but i am a tradionalist film maker who thought 'star wars:attack of the clones' looked like a computer game!
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You share a fascination with projecting film and the constant trashing of everything digital and modern with a lot of people on this forum. I for one just have to disagree with you, but I respect the right for everyone to have their own opinion. With that said, I really don't understand where some of the arguments against digital projection and the "old fashion" television comes from.
I may be the only one saying this but; When I go to the cinema, it's NOT because of the gigantic screen(it's actually not that big when you're sitting 40-50 feet away from it), but it's because of the sound. Not many people can turn the volume up that high at home without pissing off the entire neighbourhood, and not many people have that many speakers either. The other reason I go to the cinema is that people usually shut up through the entire movie, so that you can actually watch the movie.
I've seen super8 projected and I think it looks awsome. But I haven't seen any super8 thats been professionally telecined, color corrected in the prosess, and then shown on a televison. I think it would look just as good, only smaller. Then again, you probably sit closer to your tv than the screen at the cinema.
So what am I getting at? I hate super8? No, I don't. I guess I just love film and hate video, and I can't see how this rules out my televison
To everyone; Why not? To me that's like saying feature films should never be released on video or dvd. Or that TV series should either be shot on video or only be shown i cinema theatres. Is there something exceptional about super8 that puts at the top of the "film-chain"? When IMAX starts boring you, is super 8 the next step?to me super 8 should never be touched by any modern process
Well, it wasn't film in the first place, and it certainly wasn't video (I wouldn't call HD video), and 90% of it was computer graphics. No wonder it looked like a computer game.'star wars:attack of the clones' looked like a computer game!
I may be the only one saying this but; When I go to the cinema, it's NOT because of the gigantic screen(it's actually not that big when you're sitting 40-50 feet away from it), but it's because of the sound. Not many people can turn the volume up that high at home without pissing off the entire neighbourhood, and not many people have that many speakers either. The other reason I go to the cinema is that people usually shut up through the entire movie, so that you can actually watch the movie.
I've seen super8 projected and I think it looks awsome. But I haven't seen any super8 thats been professionally telecined, color corrected in the prosess, and then shown on a televison. I think it would look just as good, only smaller. Then again, you probably sit closer to your tv than the screen at the cinema.
I agree, but if I'm going to pay for hours and hours of telecine and color correcting, I would shoot on pro8mm's stocks, and if I'm spending that much money on my project I would most certainly shoot on 16mm. It's really isn't that much more expensive, but it looks way more expensive.however if you do insist of grading that get it down the old fashioned way when you get your film telecined.
So what am I getting at? I hate super8? No, I don't. I guess I just love film and hate video, and I can't see how this rules out my televison
Getting back to the original post, I found out why the film was so yellow. Here is the expanation. The last paragraph was particularly helpful:
Yes, the yellow color is probably caused by the daylight filter. Normal halogen light should have the right color temperature if the filter is off. If the light is screwed in the top hole, it should automatically turn the daylight filter off. However, you mention an "ND" filter, which is a different than daylight filter (ND= neutral density. Does not affect to color, but reduces the amount of incoming light). I am not familiar with 806 so I don't know if it has an ND filter too.
So you are on the right tracks: The switch you mentioned probably turns off the ND filter, but not the daylight filter. It is possible, that the only way to turn the daylight filter off is to screw something into the top hole (it takes a standard tripod attachment screw: like the hole in the bottom of the camera). ND filter should also be switched off.
You can check if you see any difference in these two filters. Open the film compartment lid, and look into the lens from the front of the camera. You should see a small light circle in middle of the lens. Now turn the ND filter switch and see if you can see the filter. Then push the pin in the top hole of the camera to see the daylight filter. It should be orange-yellow, as the ND should be just darker grey. If you see a difference, then there are two separate filters, and you have to use the screw for daylight filter.
Yes, the yellow color is probably caused by the daylight filter. Normal halogen light should have the right color temperature if the filter is off. If the light is screwed in the top hole, it should automatically turn the daylight filter off. However, you mention an "ND" filter, which is a different than daylight filter (ND= neutral density. Does not affect to color, but reduces the amount of incoming light). I am not familiar with 806 so I don't know if it has an ND filter too.
So you are on the right tracks: The switch you mentioned probably turns off the ND filter, but not the daylight filter. It is possible, that the only way to turn the daylight filter off is to screw something into the top hole (it takes a standard tripod attachment screw: like the hole in the bottom of the camera). ND filter should also be switched off.
You can check if you see any difference in these two filters. Open the film compartment lid, and look into the lens from the front of the camera. You should see a small light circle in middle of the lens. Now turn the ND filter switch and see if you can see the filter. Then push the pin in the top hole of the camera to see the daylight filter. It should be orange-yellow, as the ND should be just darker grey. If you see a difference, then there are two separate filters, and you have to use the screw for daylight filter.
I don´t know what colour temperature those halogens had, but K 40 (if that was your stock) has a temperature of 3200 Kelvin, which is Movielight colour temperature, not tungsten (3400 K). Not correcting this (it´s not much, but there´s something of a change in colourcast) would give a slightly "warm", yellow tint.
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