Tsunami

[MattPacini]

This situation is what it is.
It has nothing to do with nuclear weapons, it has nothing to do with anything.

These comments are a weak attempt to:

1. Make some sense or "message" or "purpose" of what is a random, natural event that is just part of the way nature works, and unfortunately, people and animals sometimes get caught up in it and perish, and that is truly sad and a disaster, but has nothing to do with whether God loved those people, or if they "had it coming" because .0001% of them were child molesters, etc.

2. Attempts to "somehow" link the Tsunami to those terrible, bad, evil "Americans.
How many bombs we have, compared to hom many tsunamis there are (neither of which we possibly would know anyway), is just ludicrous.
To use a made-up statistics to try to connect two things that have nothing to do with each other, is just assinine.

If there was any way to possibly link this to our behavior, (like the bogus global warming theories), it would be, and there would be mass outcry about how we caused it (no doubt the US would be disproportionately responsible). Luckily, in this case it's obvious that it's not caused by driving cars, shopping at Walmart, or whatever terrible thing we engage in that supposedly is destroying the planet.

The US gives something like 40% of all the worlds foreign aid.
More than all of Europe combined.
The percentage of our budget, etc. is irrelevant.
We toss shitloads of money all over the planet, often to countries that just steal it and don't give it to the people we're trying to help.
We give far more than anyone else, period.
We are not Santa Clause, so please, stop whining that we don't do enough.

MP

[Lunar07]

This is truly sick. Ultra religious people are the only ones with a one way ticket to hell. You have made of god a didactic, criminal monster. An ideologue. Of course, a reflection of the ultra religious mind that got nothing to do with god.

Wow! If you read my original post I mentioned the suffering of innocent children due to the sex trade in Indosian ,Thailand and Sri lanka. And in terms of saying that God punished these people,i....f you believe the Bible cities such as Sodom ...Gormorrah....etc were destroyed by God.When the flood happened with Noah only his family survived..millions killed..If you believe the Bible....So ....if you believe the Bible.......why is it hard to image that God could not do this today?......If you believe the bible.......these tradegies are predicted by Jesus ....If you believe the Bible. Did God suddenly change and say all the cities that were destroyed in the past I won't do this again,I made a mistake? If you believe the bible you can not just pick out the nice stuff......If you believe the Bible, God bring Judgement...(Not my words but the Bible)

[ericMartinJarvies]

be it natural, or man-made destruction ... it is all part of nature, as everything is of nature, including man, and all his man-mads thingymijigs, nucleur included(as well as sexual prefs, or exploits, or immoral acts). nature will purge what is effectively useless and what serves no GOOD purpose. so if those 60,000 nukes go off, and destroy people(including people like alex), it would be because nature warranted it, and deemed it the best course of action. it is not the devistations or the man-made threats that should worry a man, or a population ... instead, it should be his own account, and understanding of it accoridngly. for in the end(and i surmise, as i have not yet reached the living to death of this state point), it is only a man's own recognition of such that will make him think good or bad about anything, including himself. and in the end, it is the end(as we know it, and currently live it, on the edge before the end, or sometime long before the/our/mine own end)! so to somehow think everyone else, someone else, nature, god, etc., is responsible for how your ideals and life should be or could be, you merely and very simply show how truly ignornat you really are as it relates to understanding yourself, and understanding nature, and understanding the grand scheme of things. for clearly it is in front of each of us, all of it that is relative. so few pay attention to life, so many put themselves apart from it. procreation and dessimation are siblings, not enemies. they walk hand and hand. to measure a man's life based on his death is pointless. to measure a man's life is just that ... his LIFE, while living. if anyone, any man, so desires to make destruction again another man, or a population of men, then that will happen, as a man thinkeths, so shall it happen(assuming he aqctually follows through with his thoughts). and if you are subject to destruction, wherein you die by an act of another man, or by nature, then clearly you serve no furhter purpose for life, clearly. to dispute this is arrogant and ignorant, and life is providing you the air you breath as you read these words. and while you figure out how to spool your film camera and properly expose film, nature/life will continue supporting you until you serve no good purpose or reason for it to continue doing so. one may better understand this if one bothers to understand hi8mself, thus understanding life, thus understanding the very constructs that bind our perceptions to the clear realities outside of our own contribed realities.

eric jarvies

[Lunar07]

And to say this is God's doing because they are sin areas is none of us to judge. God punish (Sodom and Gomorrah) and test people (Lot) by having them experience similar disasters but I am not going to delve further in that.
 

Please do delve into it. I am observing some interesting lines of thought here. Religious people are so dangerous. They are the true criminals of all ages. They brandish the book of god to demonstrate their total lack of sympathy. How cowardly. People devoid of feelings hide behind an image of a criminal god. And to think that this is the 21st century. Certainly the pre-god ages of Sumer where goddesses ruled had more empathy that the image of god of the modern age - a very criminal and cowardly monster.

[Lunar07]

P.S........to ccortez you can't water down christianity with the UUA church...Jesus said one way,his way...If you believe the Bible

But his way is NOT your way. ccortez is not watering down anything. It is you who is warping god into a monster.

[Lunar07]

We are not Santa Clause, so please, stop whining that we don't do enough.

First we have the religious freaks who speak in the name of a deformed god, and now we have superior snobs who speak in the name of WE. HELLelujahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

[reflex]

Will all of you please SHUT UP. I don't give a rat's ass about your religious preferences (or lack thereof). I care about filmmaking, which is why I visit this forum. Don't start new threads along these lines and get back to film or find somewhere else to debate your religious and political ideologies.

I've given up on you lot for the time being -- be back in a few weeks to see if you've settled down.

[Bunner]

Alex wrote:

First things first, have you made a donation to this forum?

I dont see how donating to this forum has any comparison to the donation and need for the tsunami victims..and the loss of life of our troops and current political situation.(especially coming from the guy who claims to want credit for 'being the first to bring up the idea of the donation effort on this forum') as for my donation, it is with red cross; however, since i am a less than casual super8mm filmmaking forum user i was unaware of the donation need for this forum, just now saw it. i am not financially stable enough to just throw money around. i am still paying off a hospital bill that almost tragically took the life of my own 2 years ago, and have yet to get the insurance company to pay. deep in debt. but back on my feet having a stable job again to try to dig myself back out.
My observation is just a rant on how we don't do what we say or mean. You were just wanting to attack me personally with your response..and i don't even know you..and we probably agree politically, for the most part.??

Although, i don't pretend to be precocious like someone else. 8O Voltaire

Alex wrote:

We have far to travel when it comes to learning from our own planet. Cursing a Tsunami and questioning how God could unyield such a force entirely misses the bigger picture. For those who believe in God, Thank God that a Tsunami may have been the gentlest reminder we could ever be given about just how deadly our own manmade nuclear weapons really are. If we fail to see the connection between a Tsunami and our own nuclear weapons arsenal, we put the worlds future at great risk, and we have disrespected all of those killed by the Tsunami.


While not being on the caliber of a Volatire, I don't see what I wrote as being much different than what he wrote, just not as eloquent.

[Alex]

Wow! If you read my original post I mentioned the suffering of innocent children due to the sex trade in Indosian ,Thailand and Sri lanka. And in terms of saying that God punished these people,i....f you believe the Bible cities such as Sodom ...Gormorrah....etc were destroyed by God.When the flood happened with Noah only his family survived..millions killed..If you believe the Bible....So ....if you believe the Bible.......why is it hard to image that God could not do this today?......If you believe the bible.......these tradegies are predicted by Jesus ....If you believe the Bible. Did God suddenly change and say all the cities that were destroyed in the past I won't do this again,I made a mistake? If you believe the bible you can not just pick out the nice stuff......If you believe the Bible, God bring Judgement...(Not my words but the Bible)

I think one can believe in the bible and NOT believe that some group or region was "asking for it" as an explanation for why the Tsunami happened in the first place. I fear the bible in the hands of ultra religious people because it is used by these people to brainwash others and to explain every catastrophe as being driven by a moral compass.

[S8 Booster]

In respect of the dead and those rammed one way or another by the disaster; this is definately my last post on this "topic" but I´d like to mention that as far as Nordic countries are concerned familes are hit severely.

Example: Yesterday 60 Swedish children arrived home without their parents but way more often the other way around.


As ever single men, especially strong young ones are the survivers in catastrophes and have the best odds of survival in situations like this. (I do not need to write the rest do I?)

To draw a parallell: When Estonia sunk a dark winter night some 10 years ago the typical survivor was a strong young man. Some endured 2 hours in 4°C sea before being saved. Others did not survive on rafts.


As for the Tsunami: Here is a complete list over persons dead or missing from all nations concerned:

Other Countries affected by the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake - Tremendous all about - take a look)

R

[Alex]

This situation is what it is.
It has nothing to do with nuclear weapons, it has nothing to do with anything.

These comments are a weak attempt to:

1. Make some sense or "message" or "purpose" of what is a random, natural event that is just part of the way nature works, and unfortunately, people and animals sometimes get caught up in it and perish.
MP

That is what creative people do, they make connections between events that appear to have no connection. I am not implying a causal relationship, but an analytical one between the Tsunami and nuclear weapons. I'm quite surprised that a couple posters don't comprehend the difference.

2. Attempts to "somehow" link the Tsunami to those terrible, bad, evil "Americans.
How many bombs we have, compared to hom many tsunamis there are (neither of which we possibly would know anyway), is just ludicrous.
To use a made-up statistics to try to connect two things that have nothing to do with each other, is just assinine.

MP

Actually we do have an approximate number. At their peak there were over 60,000 nuclear weapons on the planet, now we are down to the low 20's. The problem is Russia has lost count of it's weapons and many suitcase bombs apparently are not accounted for and Russia has little money to pay well educated scientists to continue the task of deconstructing their own nukes.

I'm pointing out that the horror of the Tsunami situation has resulted in a slew of proposals on how to better warn people in the future about other Tsunami's. Surely we cannot be expected to wait until a nuke is unexpectedly detonated before we react in the same manner in regards to nuclear weapons.

While proposals abound for future ways to create Tsunami warning systems, we need to be just as reactive about the worlds nuclear weapons. What George Bush thinks are the United States biggest and ONLY international problems are completely out of touch with reality and I fear that Bush's massive deployment of America's resources in the Middle East is causing the US to not grasp the importance of the rest of the world and other problems of equal significance, both immediate and imminent.

Alex[/quote]

[Alex]

Alex wrote:

First things first, have you made a donation to this forum?

I dont see how donating to this forum has any comparison to the donation and need for the tsunami victims..and the loss of life of our troops and current political situation.(especially coming from the guy who claims to want credit for 'being the first to bring up the idea of the donation effort on this forum')

Several mistatements or misinterpretations. I want no such credit of any kind. I also don't feel the way a new thread was started that attacked me instead of just being another thread was warranted. Since then this same person has started another thread and actually put my name in the title, (which I refuse to read). So if the attack had never happened, there would no "credit" being taken, link the two points or don't bring them up.

As for the donation to this forum, don't insult people about their intentions in regards whether they are donating or not on a forum that you have not made a donation to, surely you can see the irony in that, no?

[scottbobo2]

"On this trip, I've had sex with a 14 year-old girl in Mexico and a 15 year-old in Colombia. I'm helping them financially. If they don't have sex with me, they may not have enough food. If someone has a problem with me doing this, let UNICEF feed them."

-Retired U.S. Schoolteach

Maria is . . . prostituted by her aunt. Maria is obliged to sell her body exclusively to foreign tourists in Costa Rica, she only works mornings as she has to attend school in the afternoon. Maria is in fifth grade."


Sex tourism is a very lucrative industry that spans the globe. In 1998, the International Labour Organization reported its calculations that 2-14% of the gross domestic product of Indonesia, Malaysia, the Phillipines, and Thailand derives from sex tourism. In addition, while Asian countries, including Thailand, India, and the Phillipines, have long been prime destinations for child-sex tourists, in recent years, tourists have increasingly traveled to Mexico and Central America for their sexual exploits
These figures are from the U.S dept of Justice .(there was too much horror there to print in this thread.
Doesnt seem that the religious people are dangerous ,maybe it's the rest of the world that is dangerous and sick.
If....If God did allow them to be washed away it is his choice to allow it...
Where is all the passion in this thread for the children forced into sex trade,while the vacationers were sunbathing....God is in control

[Uppsala BildTeknik]

Could everybody cut the God-crap already?

This was a completely normal geological thing, it has happened in the past and it will happend again. There is nothing "strange" about it. "God" saved as many people as he could, none. Because he doesent exist, it is a imaginary guy that doesent exist, OK? 8O

I guess all the tornados in US are Gods will too? wake up guys, if you want to discuss religious stuff please do so in a http://www.god.com forum or something, religion is the biggest reason for wars and killings and such and there is no point in debating it with normal people, we will never understand your point in "why God released this wave on the filthy people in Asia" or whatever 8O

Could somebody like lock down this thread or something? This will only lead to people arguing about nonsens, why don´t you sit and read the bible or something instead. :evil:

[scottbobo2]

*My final Post on the subject unless I am dragged back in again with distorted comments.
1.God is love but he is also a God of Judgement(not a monster but justice)
2.Jesus said worst things than this will happen
3.Bad things happen to good people but JUDGEMENT beongs to GOD
4.If you want a GOD of love but without the judgement part it is not in the Bible(UUA church of do what you like)
5.I never said the people of Asia got what was coming to them but if,if,if,if it was GOD judgement,it won't be the first or the last time....If you believe the Bible. Now, back to filmmaking