Fuji Film Petitions. Why not?

[Carlos 8mm]

I was thinking about the advantages of the japanese Single 8 format (the Single 8 cartridges can be easy to reload, (if somebody decides to make them) No pressure plate , (the plate is in the Cameras!), the Fuji Stock has a storger base than Super 8 (I think that is Polyester instead acetate).

Read the following article in the Frank Bruinsma´s Page:

http://www.super8.nl/english/e_film_fuji.htm#introduced

Anyway, most of the available cine cameras were constructed for Super 8 format.

But It will be nice if Fuji manufactures Single 8 (I.E. in 50 ft. or 200 ft. cans, it allows reduce the costs) to reload in Super 8 cartridges with new Fuji´s negative & reversal stock.

In addition to the Kodak Petitions, why We don´t make a Fuji Petitions? :idea:

What do ya think, Andreas?

Carlos.

[jessh]

I personally think it is a great idea, if someone puts it online I will sign it!

~Jess

[Andreas Wideroe]

OK, you're wish is my command

I'll work something out and let you know when it's ready.

/Andreas

[Carlos 8mm]

Great, Andreas!!

Carlos.

[Andreas Wideroe]

Maybe some of you could come up with a text for this? I don't shoot single8 myself, so I really don't know what to write. C'mon!

[jessh-lazy]

well the big question is do we want to petition them to make new single8 carts, super8 carts or just raw stock. If I remember correctly single8 raw film stock is exactly the same as super8, with the only difference being the cart(someone please correct me if I am wrong). So if Fuji started selling just the raw stock(as has already been sugested) then it could be loaded into single8 carts(which seems to be very easy to do), super8 carts in the manner that super8sound does or used with the russian reloadable carts. If they were to sell doubleS8 instead of regular it would then also work in ds8 cameras + optical printers, but would require an extra step(Splitting) before loading into carts, which might be hard if you don't have a dark room. I believe the petition should show support for any of these possibilities that Fuji feels would be best, while suggesting and showing support for 1 solution as the first step (Such as selling single8 raw stock in cans).

[Basstruc]

No, Fuji single8's support is also polyester based. This one is sturdier & slimer but I don't know if this this would be a problem Super8 cartridges
Matt

[kjellpell]

The page of Frank Bruinsma is from 1999, so this information is outdated. I have been in touch with Fuji (approx. 1 year ago), and they were not interrested in selling their film in Europe. As of now they are only catering for the Japanese market. (Unless something has happened during this last year.)
Based on this information from Fuji, I was taking some steps to have the Fuji cartridge manufactured as reloadable, and contacted several manufacturers which were able to do the job. At that time I was planning to load the Single 8mm cartidges with Super8mm film (Kodak), but as the Super 8mm film (Kodak) is thicker, 0,12mm compared to the Fuji Polyester stock of 0,09mm, it would only be able to load approx. 10m of Super 8mm film (Kodak) into these.
Another problem is that the newer Fuji-cassettes is not really reloadable as the two pieces are "melted" together and will easily be destroyed if you try to separate them. The older ones (from early to mid seventies) were easy to separate as they were held together by tape (and some snap-tight parts).

BUT IF ANYONE SHOULD BE INTERESTED IN RELOADABLE FUJI SINGLE 8MM CASSETTES, LET ME KNOW. IF THERE ARE ENOUGH OF US, MAYBE I CAN GO AHEAD WITH THE MANUFACTURING-PLANS.

[Carlos 8mm]

BUT IF ANYONE SHOULD BE INTERESTED IN RELOADABLE FUJI SINGLE 8MM CASSETTES, LET ME KNOW. IF THERE ARE ENOUGH OF US, MAYBE I CAN GO AHEAD WITH THE MANUFACTURING-PLANS.[/color]

Could be, but I think that exists very few Professional Single 8 cameras and very difficult to found (at least here). I have some Ukrainian "Kaccema" reloadable cartridges, and they works pretty good. they have a metal pressure plate, this allows obtain a very steady image, instead the common plastic presure plate cartridges.

Reloadable Single 8 Cartridges it´s a great idea too, they´re easy to build and reload instead S8 cartridges, but I think that the World´s Super 8 Community must exert certain type of pressure to Fuji in order to obtain that They produces raw stock.


Carlos.

[S8 Booster]

I think it is dufficult to get companies like Fuji to embrace S8 or even single8 to widen their filmstock.

From knowing the business systems in Japan pretty well I would say that what Japanese companies are typically looking for is long term projects with a certain predicability.

S8 or Si8 is hardly the market they look for even though it has experienced some sort of revival.

Everyone knows that S8 Si8 is not the way to go since no new cameras are sold or the demand of new camras are none.

Kodak is probably the only company beeing able to release new stocks because their procuction facilities for S8 are set up and it does not really matter what film they charge the cartridges with.

What they could have done was to buy film from Fuji, split it and charged it into K carts, incognito. Probably a better idea if Fuji has more suitable film stocks for s8.

At least if the K40 is killed by Kodak.

However, if the "new" film was to become a daylight film all cams with built in 85 filters would require a different external filter for tungsten light shooting.

Did I mention 16mm?
Guess they would have (and has) great more interest in that division.
Lot of different stock available at both Fuji and kodak.

R

[Carlos 8mm]

Perhaps the first step that we must to do is to make contact with Japanese or others Asian or Western Single 8 filmmakers, and to kown their expectations about new film stocks, an then comment to them our petitions. May be all together, Super 8 & Single 8 filmmakers can make a more efficient pressure.

What do ya think, fellows?

Carlos.

[Lucas Lightfeat]

I just want kodak to bring out kodachrome 200 for Super8

Lux