enhancing super 8 . . . ?

Post by **mattias** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:49 pm

he's a troll. leave him alone.

/matt

Post by **Uppsala BildTeknik** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:56 pm

Hey, my wife collects trolls!

I have a house full of trolls in different size and shape, never thought that i would be talking to one through the internet though! :lol:

Post by **DzFX** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 11:27 pm

which means nobody's likely to care whether you agree or not. sorry.

Oh gee didnt really mean to sound as snide.... I simply wanted to discuss why someone would think shooting on 16mm would be more affordable than Super 8, and why it would seem "too expensive" to enhance it via PC etc.

Because...why would anyone (including myself) choose to shoot on super 8mm otherwise. For me, it's an affordable alternative. And I got the impression I and others are terribly wrong about it. Just rteally an Honest question, I know that the "Diagree" part maybe sounded like a call to arms...but it wasn't. 8)

Hmmm, maybe I will create a filter for after effects that will indeed enhance it's quality.

Post by **Uppsala BildTeknik** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 11:38 pm

I simply wanted to discuss why someone would think shooting on 16mm would be more affordable than Super 8, and why it would seem "too expensive" to enhance it via PC etc.

No, I think you got the whole question wrong.

The question was how to make 8mm film look more like 16mm film, using digital filters and effects.

Why try to make 8mm film look like 16mm when it is impossibe? Sure you can make it look better with digital corrections and stuff, but it will never look like 16mm.

If you want it to look like 16mm, just shoot 16mm and forget about all the trouble to "try" and make it look like 16mm, because it is 16mm already

Post by **DzFX** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 11:50 pm

Gee Matt...

Well thanks Upps..
I promise I will leave this question alone but hear is where we misunderstand each other is all...

The fellow asked....

I just wondered if this would be possible with super 8? To maybe enhance it and make it sharper and cleaner? I always hear alot about people trying to make video look better so its as good as film . . . but could you not enhance film to look like . . well even better film if you get my point. (eg. make super 8 look more like 16mm).

I was focused on the part about "enhanceing it" and making it "sharper and cleaner". Which is entirely possible and encouraged. OF course a larger gauge is going to be better, Im sorry if I frusterated you experts, but I was just trying to to tell the guy that yeah, enhancing film quality is entirely possible in post.
-Cheers
8)

Post by **mattias** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 9:38 am

DzFX wrote:I simply wanted to discuss why someone would think shooting on 16mm would be more affordable than Super 8, and why it would seem "too expensive" to enhance it via PC etc.

oh, ok. sorry for not giving you the benefit of the doubt, which i always try to do. it's just that when newbies come on board and start talking about how a roll of kodachrome and their computer wizardry will solve world starvation you always get a little sceptical. in the best scenarios they also tell you how they've "heard" that super 8 film has more resolution than dv. :-)

anyway, it's not just the enhancing on a pc that would complicate things as well as be expensive, it's the entire process. remember that we're not just talking about shooting super 8, which in itself is cheaper than shooting 16mm, we're talking about shooting super 8 to make it look as good as 16mm. i know this is possible, if you shoot negative, light very carefully, scan on a datacine, enhance digitally, and so on, but it *would* most likely be cheaper and certainly easier to just bring out that bolex and a few short ends, let it roll, rank it and you'd be set.

/matt

Post by **newsuper8er** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:24 pm

Well ive just discovered this post that i created at the top again after a few days away and it seems a small dispute has risen over making super 8 look like 16mm.

DzFX wrote:remember that we're not just talking about shooting super 8, which in itself is cheaper than shooting 16mm, we're talking about shooting super 8 to make it look as good as 16mm.
/matt

I think i said something like this in my original post, but i must have been getting carried away with myself. I dont want to make super 8 look like 16mm at all. I really just wanted to see if there was a way to keep the look of super 8 but get rid of any artifacts or blur or any dirt or whatever else might turn up on the frame by "cleaning up the image" and maybe making it sharper. Then again, super 8 is very sharp, and i probally dont know how to focus my Bauer 609 XL properly, which is a big problem :oops: . I think i originally came to make this post because ive heard so many people talk about using a computer to "make DV look better", i guess i just thought . . hmmm . . . what if we could enhance film on a computer, like they did with star wars???? But as one of the following replies explianed all they did with star wars was scanned in the original at a higher resolution. If thats correct.

By the way, i agree with everyone who thinks George Lucas' "tinkering" with the original was a big mistake. I would love to get my hands on a copy of the original. Pity the Super 8 copies only run for around 20 mins though (if im correct). I havnt seen THX 1138 yet, but when i have i imagine i'll feel the same way about that.

PS. Im still relativly new to Super 8 (hence the user name newsuper8er

) and So far i have found this forum and everyone on it to be very helpful and insightful. Thanks guys!

pelluet · Post by **pelluet** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 9:46 am

Pity the Super 8 copies only run for around 20 mins though (if im correct).

No, there are full length feature films available on super 8 of litterally hundreds if not thousands of films including Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.

Full length versions of these films usually run to about 4 x 600ft reels and are quite pricey, but once you start collecting... :roll:

Mike

ps. If you want to know more about what package movies are available it's always worth checking out the collectors forum; http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/

Post by **newsuper8er** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:18 pm

Thanks for the info Mike. Ill start looking out for these 600ft versions right away.