Hi Everyone,
Im new to this group, but would appreciate any advice anyone has on this subject.
Im in the DC area, and I shoot wedding documentaries... I recently purchased a Canon 1014, and about 20 rolls of film (can you believe buying from kodak.com is almost half the price as BHPHOTO.COM?!)
I am going to be shooting a few test rolls this weekend at my wedding, and if all goes well I will be offering Super 8 as an addon or incorporate it into my pricey packages....
First, What are some good labs which can process and transfer the film to MiniDV stock, for a reasonable price of course.
Second, Any advice for shooting documentary style with the Canon 1014? It does autolight metering.. Does that work well? I recently shot a very high end wedding where a woman brought a 35mm movie camera.... the bride wanted to footage transfered to tape and incorporated into the video. IT LOOKED LIKE CRAP! Out of focus, underexposed.... It was aweful, any advice for this not happening? Does the Canon 1014 shoot good quality images?
Lastly, Any other tips from filmmakers and wedding videographers are very welcome.
Thanks in advance, I look forward to hearing from you all!
Martin
http://www.dvproductionsinc.com
Shooting S8 @ Weddings NEWBIE
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Hi, I have shot some home movie weddings, the best results were the weddings filmed on a sunny day!! kodachrome 40 was used...use the cameras slow motion button for the some scenes.....I once tried to film a wedding on film and video at the same,it was ok,but not as good as concentrating on one camera/format..If you are a two person outfit one shoot film and video, one concentrate on video only, as if while you are swapping cameras you miss an important scene there no going back...Canon 1014 excellent camera, very good on auto exposure,run the camera at 24fps..
What filmstock are you planning to use???
Are you after a grainy image???
What filmstock are you planning to use???
Are you after a grainy image???
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Martin
Shooting the Wedding
I purhased Ektachrome and Tri-X. Obviously Negative film would not work due to the price of transfer.... I plan on charging $500 for 3 rolls of Super 8, their choice Black and White or Color or both.
I shoot all my videos on a 2 man crew, and will shoot snipits of film here and there, again 3 rolls has to last the whole day.
I shoot all my videos on a 2 man crew, and will shoot snipits of film here and there, again 3 rolls has to last the whole day.
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Wedding tips.
Having covered events with Super 8, here are some tips:
- Get a back up camera. It doesn't have to be a 1014xls, just make sure it has 24fps for smooth movement and the same zoom range as your other. If it has faster than 24fps, then better yet for that slow motion effect.
- Get a wide angle attachment. I use a video Kenko .42x and it helps with interiors. I think your 1014 has a larger diameter,so you may have to track down the wide angle adapter made for it back in the day.
- Be conscious about the super 8 camera's louder sounds when operating. I once thought the ambient sounds of the church would suppress the sounds of my super 8 and it got everyone's attention. On the footage shoot on video, you can see about 20 people look back at me when the super 8 shot off.
The Canon 1014 does render get quality. The lens is excellent. If you want to maintain that excellent optical quality, then you have to make sure you get a quality telecine, or else all that nice lens glass is wasted. I met the guy who shot some early music videos back in the old school daze. He used a 1014xls for his videos for Wall of Voodoo. Sadly, I bumped into him as he was desparately selling it back to a camera dealer for some cash.
Off course if you are shooting super 8 to get a 'rough' look, then often times a home recording off of a projector is the best technique for creating that vintage super 8 home movie look of the 60's and 70's.
- Get a back up camera. It doesn't have to be a 1014xls, just make sure it has 24fps for smooth movement and the same zoom range as your other. If it has faster than 24fps, then better yet for that slow motion effect.
- Get a wide angle attachment. I use a video Kenko .42x and it helps with interiors. I think your 1014 has a larger diameter,so you may have to track down the wide angle adapter made for it back in the day.
- Be conscious about the super 8 camera's louder sounds when operating. I once thought the ambient sounds of the church would suppress the sounds of my super 8 and it got everyone's attention. On the footage shoot on video, you can see about 20 people look back at me when the super 8 shot off.
The Canon 1014 does render get quality. The lens is excellent. If you want to maintain that excellent optical quality, then you have to make sure you get a quality telecine, or else all that nice lens glass is wasted. I met the guy who shot some early music videos back in the old school daze. He used a 1014xls for his videos for Wall of Voodoo. Sadly, I bumped into him as he was desparately selling it back to a camera dealer for some cash.
Off course if you are shooting super 8 to get a 'rough' look, then often times a home recording off of a projector is the best technique for creating that vintage super 8 home movie look of the 60's and 70's.
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3 rolls...
Three rolls is just 10 mins of footage.
I often shoot 5 rolls for weddings and get about 2 minutes of worth while snippets.
I often shoot 5 rolls for weddings and get about 2 minutes of worth while snippets.
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comments and blasphemy
In terms of the 35mm footage looking bad, that maybe operator error.
35mm film cameras are all manual for the most part and require good metering and manual settings. It can't account for quick light changes like super 8 cameras and their built auto exposure. So quality footage is truly based on camera operators skills.
You'll, no doubtedly, get better exposure with super 8 because super 8 cameras are more automated. Especially with the 1014 that have, it's one of the best Super 8 cameras made. The Canons aren't as handsomely designed as the Beaulieu 4008, but the Canon is less quirky and more reliable.
What kind of look are you offering your clients? A clean film look or a grainy gritty old home movie look?
Some times if you mix pro-telecined super 8 and video together it doesn't look good because there isn't enough of a stark contrast in their visual look. But if you combined 'rough' looking cheaply telecined super 8 footage with video, it looks great because there is clear and distinctive mood change in styles.
I know I may be accused of blasphemy for what I am about to say...
But if you are just including short snippets of footages that have that old school film grain look, maybe a Final Cut Pro or After Effects plugin will do the trick instead of shooting actual film. I know that's blasphemy in this forum, but I only suggest that from a business standpoint, not creative (nothing beats film). Some of these film filters look overly fake and contrived, but I have seen some DV footages that look about 80% authentic. This way you can convert any of your existing footages to film like feel without the added cost and time invested in film/processing/telecine.
Below are some sample files that have been rendered with film look originally shot on DV.
I think the sepia tone makes it look contrived, but that's a settig that can turned off. Otherwise, the other effects look good to the general public (we film types will always be able to spot the fakeness of any filter)
http://www.chv-plugins.com/film_mov.html
Again, I am just offering this as a business suggestion and not an artistic one. I will take film over digital anyday.
35mm film cameras are all manual for the most part and require good metering and manual settings. It can't account for quick light changes like super 8 cameras and their built auto exposure. So quality footage is truly based on camera operators skills.
You'll, no doubtedly, get better exposure with super 8 because super 8 cameras are more automated. Especially with the 1014 that have, it's one of the best Super 8 cameras made. The Canons aren't as handsomely designed as the Beaulieu 4008, but the Canon is less quirky and more reliable.
What kind of look are you offering your clients? A clean film look or a grainy gritty old home movie look?
Some times if you mix pro-telecined super 8 and video together it doesn't look good because there isn't enough of a stark contrast in their visual look. But if you combined 'rough' looking cheaply telecined super 8 footage with video, it looks great because there is clear and distinctive mood change in styles.
I know I may be accused of blasphemy for what I am about to say...
But if you are just including short snippets of footages that have that old school film grain look, maybe a Final Cut Pro or After Effects plugin will do the trick instead of shooting actual film. I know that's blasphemy in this forum, but I only suggest that from a business standpoint, not creative (nothing beats film). Some of these film filters look overly fake and contrived, but I have seen some DV footages that look about 80% authentic. This way you can convert any of your existing footages to film like feel without the added cost and time invested in film/processing/telecine.
Below are some sample files that have been rendered with film look originally shot on DV.
I think the sepia tone makes it look contrived, but that's a settig that can turned off. Otherwise, the other effects look good to the general public (we film types will always be able to spot the fakeness of any filter)
http://www.chv-plugins.com/film_mov.html
Again, I am just offering this as a business suggestion and not an artistic one. I will take film over digital anyday.