shooting a 18fps with super 8mm

Post by **Jim** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 7:51 pm

Hi
I'm new to the whole super8 world having just bought a camera (canon 1218 auto zoom) and have a question I was hoping one of you kind people could answer!
My camera only has two speeds "slow motion" and "18fps" I was wondering if i was to film at 18fps and then have it telecined for editing on my computer and then later exported to VHS once on vhs would the footage run faster? Like as in if I'd projected it at 24fps? Does this make sense?
If the footage does run faster does anyone know of a way to get it back to its original speed so I could tie in my sound and then export it to VHS?

thanks in advance!
Jim

Post by **Old Uncle Barry** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:01 pm

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You are getting yourself very bogged down with technicalities.Shhot at 18fps and have it telecine transferred at that rate to whatever format you wish.The speeds will be as shot.This also applies to shooting at 24fps.
As for the 'slow motion' setting on your camera,this will thump film through at 48 or 54 fps whatever it is set at.Upon projection of course the action is slowed down.By choosing the path you have mentioned,you may encounter problems with frame rates and thus are introducing uneccesary complications.
I'm sure some of our more enlightened video enthusiasts will have an answer.

Cine is alive and well-project it!

Post by **Jim** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:36 pm

Thanks for the reply.

I've had a better look around this board now at past questions. What I seem to have picked up is that 18fps is not suitable for a project that I wish to be anything more than an amateur home viewing effort.
I was thinking of using quite some time to familiarise myself with my camera, shooting in different conditions with different stock etc. and then hopefully using my camera for a no budget feature....this isn't a good idea though right?????
I live in the UK so I'm looking towards transfering my finished film to PAL vhs - would it come out particularly bad if filmed at 18fps???

there's WAY too much for me to get used to here!!! HAHAHAHA!

Thanks again

Post by **Old Uncle Barry** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:45 pm

No it would not come out bad at all.Although the old addage of 'rubbish in,rubbish out' still applies.18fps is quite adequate for telecine though of course 24fps does have the edge.However even that is open to debate in these columns!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:02 pm

Hi, well ive learnt something tonight your 1218 camera having 1,18 and slo mo only...didnt believe until i checked in my cine camera guide book...18fps is fine, 24fps the best, maybe worth looking for a canon 514xls,get them quite cheap if you really want to shoot at 24fps....

Post by **marc** » Thu Jan 16, 2003 5:43 am

I have heard it rummored that, although there is no "official" setting for 24 fps on the 1218 , if you turn the knob slightly past the 18 fps mark you can get 24 fps out of it. Giv it a try!

goya · Post by **goya** » Thu Jan 16, 2003 7:52 am

I'd say before you look into 24fps, shoot a test roll on your camera at 18fps and see if it yields the results you are looking for.

18fps in reality works for more situations than perceived.

Plus, you gain almost 1 minute when shooting at 18 as oppose to 24.
This is important to consider too, because a 50ft roll doesn't get you far in some cases.

Just things to consider. I agree with what everyone has said so far too.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jan 16, 2003 2:58 pm

thanks again. I think I'll buy some stock and give it a try as you've suggested.
If I don't get what I'm after from the camera then I'll just have to buy another one which is a pain!!!

Cheers

Post by **studiocarter** » Thu Jan 16, 2003 3:53 pm

If you are anything at all like the rest of us, you better start making room for your filmmaking equipment collection that your will most likely soon acquire. I'm trying to cut down.

ftp://ftp.filmshooting.com/upload/video/mpg/S8xfers.mpg

30,346,792 30.5MB A Super 8mm movie film transferred professionally then synced to audio recorded on a Hi-8mm video camera at the time of filming. Parts are Hi-8mm video were added to finish the text passage. This was shot in 24fps, the film part is in the middle sandwiched between video stills that bookend it.

ftp://ftp.filmshooting.com/pub/films/S8 ... vi2vcd.mpg

31,992,184 32MB A Super 8mm film I made on an Easter week end and transferred using a TC-20 Telecine. This file is made for VCD burning. It was shot at 18fps. It was transferred not so professionally.

I still shoot at 18fps. When I want sound, then I shoot at 24. 18 will do sound too but the mouth movements will be further apart. 18 is cheaper and looks great projected.

Michael

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jan 16, 2003 7:30 pm

great advice thanks...also I checked out your 18fps footage and it looked GREAT. thanks

Post by **Jim** » Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:31 am

thanks for all the help. I've had a look around on ebay and I've found this camera:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... tegory=628

looks decent to me (not that I know much at all

) do you think it's right for what I want?

simond · Post by **simond** » Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:38 am

Hi, that camera on ebay is a good one. I have actually bought a Nizo S800 camera from the same person. Nizo cameras are amongst the best, and they film at 24 fps, 18, and 54 slo-mo.

good luck!.

Filmshooting

shooting a 18fps with super 8mm

shooting a 18fps with super 8mm

shoot a test rool at 18fps and see if you like it