Shooting a Scene Where People Watch a Projected Movie

[S8 Booster]

its crap like this cinemate or workprinter or whatever the hell you call it thats killing super 8. why the hell would anyone want to transfer to video tell me why? a projected film cut is so much better and if you don't see it that way, then get a dv camera and get off this board.

get some common sense people.

I am amongst the prime projector fans on this board.
Still, do you think your suggestion (go DV cam) benefits S8 or even FILMmaking in general?

I´ll gladly answer that for you, NO!

I think no one disputes the fact that directly projected film is much better, it just the fact too that it is so helloa much more job to get it going too but the benefits are much better too IMO.

Everyone ever touched a reasonable OK NLE system knows it´s pizza cake to level most of the stuff you watch on TV short of the DullyWOOD gigabuck productions. Creativity is still free, see.

Personally I would like to see posted here a "full blown" S8 from the bottom and up purely produced on film and the final product transfered to video. 1+ minute or more duration (2,3,4,5 too but less than 10!). I know how much work it is so that is all I would ask for.

NLE is fake.

Real stuff is "reel"! or is it? (in 1967 Noting Was Real)

R

[tfunch24]

8O

Somebody's a little uptight.

S8 Booster wrote:

Personally I would like to see posted here a "full blown" S8 from the bottom and up purely produced on film and the final product transfered to video. 1+ minute or more duration (2,3,4,5 too but less than 10!). I know how much work it is so that is all I would ask for.

I use my CineMate a lot but I agree--nothing beats projection. NLE in conjunction with a transfer unit allows you to put together a rough cut of your film before having to cut a single piece of celluloid. That's one advantage to using this type of equipment.

Tom

[MovieStuff]

its crap like this cinemate or workprinter or whatever the hell you call it thats killing super 8.

Interesting. "Whatever the hell you call it"? Now THAT'S the mark of someone that has done their research before posting. Well, which is it? Is it the CineMate or the WorkPrinter that's killing Super 8? Please be specific as to how and why.

why the hell would anyone want to transfer to video tell me why?

This is an amazing statement coming from someone that also declares:

a projected film cut is so much better

Sure. Until your ancient projector eats your original then where are you?

If you're an experienced film maker to any degree, then you are also aware that A/B roll printing is not really available for super 8 anymore unless one wants to contract for a special project and pay out the ass, in which case you might as well have shot 16mm to begin with for all it will cost you. Without A/B printing, you are pretty much limited to tape or cement splices that are very visible and pretty amateur looking, by most anyone's standards. I agree that a telecined image is not as good as projecting the original but original projection has its own problems, namely premature wear of the film. Add to the fact that a new projector has not been made in almost a quarter of a century; hardly the ideal scenario for projecting one's precious original.

and if you don't see it that way, then get a dv camera and get off this board.

Oh please. Did you just get here from the Google groups? Check your ego at the door, sailor. Ultimatums from people that sign themselves as "anonymous" don't carry much weight in any forum, including this one.

get some common sense people.

Okay, here's some common sense: The ability to edit on video not only makes for a more polished final product for super 8, it protects your original from damage. And, as it relates to your concern, the ease of editing means more people will shoot super 8 for serious projects and that, in turn, means more people will buy super 8. So your comment that units like the CineMate or the WorkPrinter are killing super 8 is obviously not thought out at all. Or do you find the advent of low cost non-linear editing systems and the simultaneous increase in super 8 usage to be just a coincidence?

Maybe when you come back to the table with some real research under your belt and a real name to post under, people might take you seriously.

Roger Evans
Maker of the CineMate and WorkPrinter series of self-telecine units and proud contributor to the advancement and survival of the 8mm format.

[paul]

its crap like this cinemate or workprinter or whatever the hell you call it thats killing super 8. why the hell would anyone want to transfer to video tell me why

I wish I could afford one. If I remember correctly, one of the first and most important reasons to construct the workprinter is making it possible to line up the recorded sound with the images; which is what a lot of people want. Secondly I think that due to the workprinter a lot of people have even more reasons to shoot super8 since they can afford high quality transfers at reasonable cost; with a minimal loss of its original quality. I think it very much encourages using super 8.

I like projecting best as well, but I appreciate good transfers also.