Lucas Lightfeat wrote:I agree that the Leicina Special deserves a mention. Anyone who has ever owned a Leica knows of their trusted...quality...The Leicina Special is a peach - still too noisy for myself, but a very very bright viewfinder, mirror reflex shutter, top schneider lens with motor zoom, apperture ring, 25fps....
Lucas
A bit off the mark, but the Leicina Super should get some recognition for being a damn good prosumer camera. Flash contact for everything from time lapse photography to lip synch sound, good viewfinder and a good lens (if albeit on the slow side at 1.9). Single-frame capability along with multi-FPS settings that allow for 18 and 24 fps (and 9 fps on some models). Motorized zoom...the list goes on.
The nicest camera I own and have used so far. It's a good camera with which to start out.
I have owned 1014XL-S, Pro, 6080, R10, Leicina Special and used 4008.
The Leicina Special with the 10mm lens definetely has the sharpest image. 6080 the quietest but mediocre lens.
4008 has the best viewing system [ground glass] but noisy as an old Pinto - making it almost useless in indoor shoots. Most available lenses are mediocre with very few exceptions. If you do find it it will cost you.
R10 nice all around high end camera with above average lens, but nothing stands out.
Pro has above average lens and nice time lapse features. But I hate all the Nizo aperture control. The viewfinder is mediocre compared to Canon and Beaulieu.
The 1014 XL-S is my vote. Tons of features and exceptional lens. Some few lenses are better but it quieter than most.
It scores 9 across the board. It is not the best at anything, but it has no weakness. Tons of features, great lens, and blimp -able.
Well, one (professional) thing you can not do properly with the original Beaulieus that you can do with most of the other cams listed here is progressive manual zoom and simoultanesly adjust the focus ring due to the "sukker" motors protuding along the lens.
On the Canon and the Nikon, to mention 2, you can use the little and ring finger on the focusing ring and the 3 other fingers on the zoom ring.
Nice PROFESSIONAL feature.
Works fine but not with the original Beaulieus.
Pro8mm chopped the silly motors off their re-makes.
Apart from that I really question the build quality and lens performances of the Schneider and Angenieux lenses for vignetting.
(The Beaulieu cams can probably perform at their best after serviced by Bjørn Andersson though. Obligatory!)
Besides: "Hard contrast" (narrow contrast range) is not nessecary equivalent to a "sharp lens".
The auto exposure system on the Canon (faster than the eye so you do not really see it adjust when panning etc in Auto mode) is superior to anything inhereted directly from the Canon AE1 and the Scoopic 16mm (optimized for reversal film).
Rental companies usually refer to the Canon C8 lens as the best glass in business with its spectrum coating.
If you want the SHARPEST and totally grain freest s8 images around use the Canon 1014 or 814 with a poliarizer filter and knock off 1/3 f stop on the exposure setting. Producing the best images ever seen from a S8 cam.
Also the C1014/814 probably (99.999999999999% certain) has the best technology in the S8 business ever, that is for both the advanced CPU controlled electronics and mechanics. (Reliabilty should be and issue for "PRO" use)
Being and engineer ranging from software to Newton (Lightning strikes) and put mechanical engineering and whatever you like in between I do have quite good reason for examining the technlogy used in S8 cams.
Also I have been active in "true" (film projecting) S8 communities for the past 20 years having plenty of opportunity to examine the C1014 shots with all sorts of cams and lenses around.
All the "Mentors" in my local S8 club agrees that the Canon produces the best images ever seen (projected), that is including all sorts of Beaulieus/lenses.
IMHO
(The last thing to die is an old lie - Fuji on Kodak allegation on price dumping)
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I own at this time (mint quality) Bauer S 709 XL, Bauer S 715 XL, Bauer Royal 10 E Makro, Canon 1014 XL-S, Leicina Super RT with ST-1 interval box and Eumig 880 PMA.
I do have also one Beaulieu 4008ZMII (not working) and I just won from ebay one Bauer A 512 model (25 Euros) and Chinon's last 200/8 model (12 Euros) with possibity to use 60 meter cassette .
My idea is to buy different kind of cameras to different kind of need.
I mean I can shoot absolutely great looking time lapse and time exposure images with Leicina (that ST-1 box just rocks!), Royal 10 and Eumig.
I have 25 fps speed (Chinon and Leicina) possibility.
I have slow motion speed (54 fps), that is enough for me.
I have long zoom (Bauer 715) with very great camera.
I have totally good cameras for many different things (Bauer 709 and Canon 1014 XL-S) with image quality I really like.
I also had one deal on process to get 7 different Beualieu cameras, but I ended it, cause all of them needed serious service.
Too expensive for me, cause with couple hundred Euros I have bought these others 100 %:ly working ones!
That guy still owns also Canon DS8, I'm looking and will perhaps discuss more with him about buying it.
Still I haven't put as much money for these all super 8 cameras than I put for my Sony (basic PC-100 model) mini-dv camera.
I own at this time (mint quality) Bauer S 709 XL, Bauer S 715 XL, Bauer Royal 10 E Makro, Canon 1014 XL-S, Leicina Super RT with ST-1 interval box and Eumig 880 PMA.
I do have also one Beaulieu 4008ZMII (not working) and I just won from ebay one Bauer A 512 model (25 Euros) and Chinon's last 200/8 model (12 Euros) with possibity to use 60 meter cassette .
My idea is to buy different kind of cameras to different kind of need.
I mean I can shoot absolutely great looking time lapse and time exposure images with Leicina (that ST-1 box just rocks!), Royal 10 and Eumig.
I have 25 fps speed (Chinon and Leicina) possibility.
I have slow motion speed (54 fps), that is enough for me.
I have long zoom (Bauer 715) with very great camera.
I have totally good cameras for many different things (Bauer 709 and Canon 1014 XL-S) with image quality I really like.
I also had one deal on process to get 7 different Beualieu cameras, but I ended it, cause all of them needed serious service.
Too expensive for me, cause with couple hundred Euros I have bought these others 100 %:ly working ones!
That guy still owns also Canon DS8, I'm looking and will perhaps discuss more with him about buying it.
Still I haven't put as much money for these all super 8 cameras than I put for my Sony (basic PC-100 model) mini-dv camera.
I can't hear myself think with anyother cameras. Image quality maybe good on the Beaulieu and the Canon, but what good is it to me unless all I can do is long zooms in open spaces - bag 'o shite! Lurverly cameras though.
Using my Sennheiser K6/ME66 combo on a boom, noise from a 4008 gets picked up by the mic, even using a custom barney/blimp. And that's one of the reasons I don't own a beautiful Beaulieu - shame
I must agree with this last comment. When we speak of professional, surely we must consider that movies these days have sound on them, no?
Crimsonson, you describe the Nizo 6080 as having a "mediocre" lens. The lens is a multi-coated Schneider Kreusnach (top manufacturer) f1.4 (very fast indeed) 7 to 80mm lens (very wide to very long zoom), every bit as good, if not better than the schneiders fitted with a c mount to beaulieus. Sure, it is a fixed on lens, and not replaceable, but then, who'd want to? It's sharp and excellent - certainly not mediocre! The lenses on the beaulieus have horrible vignetting problems I've personally never seen on any other camera. Sure the Canon has a great lens too, but not so great that you can call the Nizo mediocre. I have owned and used both, by the way, though never a beaulieu, as they're not all they're cracked up to be IMHO
Lucas Lightfeat (forgetting his password on a public access computer!)
I must agree with this last comment. When we speak of professional, surely we must consider that movies these days have sound on them, no?
Crimsonson, you describe the Nizo 6080 as having a "mediocre" lens. The lens is a multi-coated Schneider Kreusnach (top manufacturer) f1.4 (very fast indeed) 7 to 80mm lens (very wide to very long zoom), every bit as good, if not better than the schneiders fitted with a c mount to beaulieus. Sure, it is a fixed on lens, and not replaceable, but then, who'd want to? It's sharp and excellent - certainly not mediocre! The lenses on the beaulieus have horrible vignetting problems I've personally never seen on any other camera. Sure the Canon has a great lens too, but not so great that you can call the Nizo mediocre. I have owned and used both, by the way, though never a beaulieu, as they're not all they're cracked up to be IMHO
