K40 discontinued, but when?

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Nigel wrote:Did Ovid write for 2000 years after his death?? No.

Did Shakespere write for four hundred years after his death?? No.

The hubrice of what you say. What makes you think that people 300 years from now will give a flying shit about what you or I made--That's absurd. To think that K40 will be here and people will be able to view these little strips 300 years from now is just as absurd.

The fact is that film is only 100 years old and there is very very very little of what was shot then that is here for us to watch. And, it's a good thing. Since it is crap.

K40 is old news and makes pictures that look like old news...If by the grace of God I make something that generations feel is good enough to tell down the line then it really doesn't matter what it was made with.

K40 Be Damned.

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Rob wrote:I presume you agree that Kodak sells several hundred thousand S8 cartridges per year (check other threads here if you doubt it).
I never said I doubted the figures, I just said that I didn't have access to them. I don't know how much Kodak sells and I have never heard anyone say a figure, at least not one that can be substantiated. Personally I hope that they are selling many many thousands of reels because I love the format.
Rob wrote:If the market is not driven by amateurs, there must be an awful lot of pop videos being made. Are we to believe that professionals are hoovering up truck loads of k40 (by far the biggest selling S8 stock) every year?

Rob
I did not say the market wasn't driven by amateurs. I suggested that the largest market for Super8 consisted of amateur film makers / amateur music video makers / documentary makers etc etc AND the professional market (which might also include music videos / documentary as well as advertising etc etc). Amateurs may well be the larger of these two groups - but we can only speculate.

This brings me back to my original point which was that these two groups will be editing digitally and as such this was the reason the format was still so popular and useable and hence why the ability to edit this way is a large factor in the growing popularity of the format.

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Film shot a hundred years ago crap eh? TOTAL UNADULTERATED BOLLOCKS.
This world has learned hell of a lot from that 'crap' as the perpetrator glibly described.
As for 300 years time who of us will give a f*** anyway.
Enjoy what we have and just ponder what storage media will be available then-brain implants more like.
Carpe dieme.
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MovieStuff wrote:
tim wrote:

Here's another true story: One of the members of this forum, Chas out of LA, has a wife that was using Super 8 for her thesis or something in college. She shot and edited her piece and, by all accounts, did a good job of it. However, when she set up her super 8 projector in the classroom and ran the film, it was not well received at all. In fact, the students and the teachers did not like it one bit. Now, after pondering the problem with Chas and his wife, I suggested (and they agreed) that the problem wasn't the use of Super 8 but, rather, how the film was displayed. Certainly nothing beats the quality of original projection. But the rattle of the projector and the click of the splices as they traveled through the mechanism created a very " amateur home movie" atmosphere that conflicted with her on screen efforts. It was just too much for the audience to get past. We are certain had she presented the very same film on video, it would have been accepted differently because, like the paperback version of my book, the expectations of the audience are different.

Anyway, just my two cents......

Roger
Wow -- I'm actually quoted. haven't written here in awhile because I'm in my last quarter at school but I couldn't help notice my name in lights...

Actually, to expand on this story and since it has some relevance to the debate at hand...here it is:

My wife made two Super-8 films for her final two Masters projects (one was her final thesis) in ART SCHOOL. Note that I state ART SCHOOL because there is a NIGHT AND DAY difference in attitudes between a regular FILMMAKING program in a university and the pretentious wankers that make up 90% of all ART schools (sorry, just a little bitterness...)...

Anyway, her first film was shot in Plus-X and was a film about memory and architecture and since the apartment buildings she shot were mostly built in the '60s and the film was projected in S8 the art crowd deemed it acceptable since we were using "old" technology to showcase a project that dealt with the past. For this she received ok-to-good feedback (though there was some suspicion from certain students since the concept of "film" was somewhat foreign to these dorks who liked to make pretentious 'video art' projects that are so awful they defy description)...

Her second film was shot on 7240 -- this is where the problems began. It was set in a contemporary setting showing interiors with people doing everyday tasks while voiceover could be heard. yes, the projector did detract from this but it was also the film stock, the tape recorder she had to use for the wild synch, etc. But it was mainly the contemporary subject matter that made the audience wonder why it wasn't shot in digital video in the first place...

But then this is all so f**king subjective...a UCLA student representative came by to give studio visits...she checked out everyone's work...and chose one person to have a piece (any art piece would do) put in UCLA's prestigious Wight biennial exhibit in 2003 -- guess whose work she showed??? She viewed my wife's second film on projector with a portable stereo playing the soundtrack and LOVED IT. She saw beyond the extraneous baggage and looked at the message of my wife's film and thought that this would be a good art piece to show at the exhibit.

Yes, my wife did have the film transferred to DVD but that was simply for reasons of exhibition (not having a projector that could loop a film for 8 hours a day six days a week, etc.)...
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Allthough not 100 years old I still love to watch my Chaplin and Buster Keaton films which I think are famous to this day.

Also; ever tried to shoot K40 with a decent Canon lenz - turns K40 into something totally different - at least for projection. [not trying to pick up a fight on this one but the super spectrum coating pays off]

Besides: K40 endures :!: and projects lik no other.

I really think it woulda be fun to see my ancestors in motion with sound! 300 years back. Actually I could verify my great great great grandfather & mother by an old photo sent abroad. I had no idea who these people where except that the photo was in a very old family album. Actually the dude I finally got in touch with in the other end had a similar one on the wall! so...... Pizza cake.

K40/Canon not quite right since transferred but close.
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K40 does look great with the canon.
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Post by Angus »

Matt,

We all know...from figures posted on this very board...that K40 accounts for the vast majority of super 8 cartridges sold.

You're not seriously going to attempt to show that those K40's are being bought by professionals? It is crystal clear from the figures that amateurs are the largest group of people using super 8.
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Angus wrote:Matt,

We all know...from figures posted on this very board...that K40 accounts for the vast majority of super 8 cartridges sold.

You're not seriously going to attempt to show that those K40's are being bought by professionals? It is crystal clear from the figures that amateurs are the largest group of people using super 8.
How many times have I got to repeat myself?????
Matt5791 wrote:I did not say the market wasn't driven by amateurs. I suggested that the largest market for Super8 consisted of amateur film makers / amateur music video makers / documentary makers etc etc AND the professional market (which might also include music videos / documentary as well as advertising etc etc). Amateurs may well be the larger of these two groups - but we can only speculate.

This brings me back to my original point which was that these two groups will be editing digitally and as such this was the reason the format was still so popular and useable and hence why the ability to edit this way is a large factor in the growing popularity of the format.


I didn't say that professionals are the largest market, or that K40 is not the largest selling stock. I just said that nobody really knows for sure (except Kodak of course) and , besides, this forum is hardly representative of the size of the market.

I don't know how I can make myself any clearer. I welcome anyone to disagree with me, but please disagree with what I'm actually saying :)

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Ektachrome stocks

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Please visit the following link...

http://www.40framesdirectory.org/petitions/kodak01/


This petiton calls on Kodak to replace 7250 and print stock 7399 with E6 process Ektachrome stocks.

It could be further argued that Kodak should consider making 7285 and 7250 in super 8. And for those who like to make super 8 prints, maybe 7399 in that format as well.


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Post by cineandy »

[quote="monobath"]Oh, by the way, I'm actually OK with Kodak killing K40, so long as they bring back K25. :D[/quote]

I agree, kill k40 and bring back k25........
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matt5791 wrote:How many times have I got to repeat myself?????
yeah, i don't understand what people don't understand either. what you're doing is separating the amateur filmmakers from the home movie shooters and projection enthusiasts, which makes perfect sense, and if i was to guess i'd also lean towards that the most film is used by the former group, and they/we pretty much only exist because of video transfers.

/matt
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Nigel wrote:Did Ovid write for 2000 years after his death?? No.

K40 Be Damned.
I've warned Kerberos of your curse. I've told him that K40 is not dead, and thus cannot be allowed into the underworld. Kerberos has seen the death of many film stocks in recent years. Yet for K40, he stands guard near the gates of Acheron, determined to foil your plan. I very much doubt even the mighty Herakles, should he return from Mount Olympus, will be able a second time to subdue the mighty hound of hell.
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Post by Nigel »

Monobath--

Now that was funny. That made me smile.

Good Luck
PS--I don't care if it takes a Hell-Hound or Grendal and his Mother to kill it. It is better off dead.
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I think these polls contradict you every which way:

http://filmshooting.com/participate/polls/index.php

S8 IS K40 until it gets a faster and equally suitable replacement fit for projection.

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I would say that a voluntary poll posted on a very specific website is hardly accurate...

Good Luck
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