Andec FilmTechnik Bildstand demo tape received

Post by **Mr_Floppy** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 6:55 am

I've just received a demo tape of this product and pass a few minutes reviewing it.

Just wondering if anybody has done the same, and have an opinion to be shared here.

Cheers,

Jose

Post by **S8 Booster** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 10:11 am

Great!

I do not know if you forgot to mention it but the clips (samples) can be downloaded from their WEB site too:

http://www.andecfilm.de/html/demovideo_e.htm

http://www.andecfilm.de/pl_x7276.mpg [Plus X]
http://www.andecfilm.de/tr_x7278.mpg [Tri X]
http://www.andecfilm.de/vnf_7240.mpg [VNF 7240]
http://www.andecfilm.de/neg_7274.mpg [V200T]
http://www.andecfilm.de/k40.mpg [K40]
http://www.andecfilm.de/def_k40.mpg [Improvement of jittery cartridges]

R

Post by **paul** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 3:17 pm

My first mpression is that the "with" looks brighter, as if exposed a 1/2 stop more. I'm not saying that they exposed differently but it looks like "as if", but how could this be a result of the pressureplate?

Paul

Post by **svabo** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 3:55 pm

Know any which camera (type) that is used with these sample??

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 3:57 pm

Well, I have no idea of the mpegs online, but thanks!.

About the with-stand shoots, yep, it really looks a bit overexposed, but I dunno for sure.

Anyway, I was really awe to see this demo just for comparation purposes. I have some footage shot with my Nizo Pro, a 16mm K3 and a 16 mm Arri BL and all I can say is that, with kodachrome there is a difference (even steadier than the k3) but I'm not sure if this really worth the 160 EURO price, particularly if you are shooting with a camera with a nice registration system, such as a Nizo Professional.

Any opinions?

Jose

Post by **S8 Booster** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 8:11 pm

paul wrote:My first mpression is that the "with" looks brighter, as if exposed a 1/2 stop more. I'm not saying that they exposed differently but it looks like "as if", but how could this be a result of the pressureplate?

Paul

DonÃ‚Â´t think the exposure issue is affecting this.
It is for stability only as can clearly be seen.

R

Post by **S8 Booster** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 8:43 pm

Bo Svalin wrote:Know any which camera (type) that is used with these sample??

The WEB site says nothing except "various cams".
Maybe the information with the VHS is more informative?

R

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Dec 16, 2002 4:28 am

If these demo clips are to be believed (and I think they are), then the pressure plate would seem MANDATORY for anyone considering anything semi-professionally on Super8! What a difference!

Post by **ricardoeko** » Sat Dec 21, 2002 4:42 am

Yes, i also believe that the pressure plate must help. But honestly, the only way i found to get better results (and let's say semi-professional results) is to start using double super8 film on a double super8 camera specialy a electric one that can take 30m reels, like an elmo C-300 or a Canon or even the great conversed Bolex Paillard.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 5:49 pm

Hallo.
I have now also seen the Demo tape. It is the same results,
that i have with Ektachrome and Vision 200 and i think, the tests
are with normal camera and results. Where of us make such steadiness and sharpness tests with his camera. Make it and you will see the problems of your camera. I have also spoken to Andec
about the used cameras. The have told me, that they have used
Nizo, Beaulieu, Canon and Leicina. The tests have to bring the generelly results, not to one camera type. ( Its not possible to do that). So they dont write it to the tests. Every camera has another problem, the plate can help to eleminate a lot of them.
To all Happy New Year.
Ludwig

mIke · Post by **mIke** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 8:37 pm

Refering to the test with the Kodachrome40, see links by S8Booster, the demo looks like the settings of the camera where changed at least. Among other things, image colour change (already mentioned in an earlier post?) beside image position change between the 2 sorts of aproaches is clearly visible.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » Sun Jan 05, 2003 9:52 pm

Hallo.
Sorry to write again. Any difference in Color or brightness are not
the opinion of the pressure plate. I think, thats comes from the different shots and Videotransfer. The plate is only for stability and steadiness of picture and has no effect of exposure.
Best regards
Ludwig

Post by **mattias** » Mon Jan 06, 2003 1:44 pm

Ludwig wrote:Any difference in Color or brightness are not
the opinion of the pressure plate. I think, thats comes from the different shots and Videotransfer.

oh really? :-) this is of course exactly why the comparison can't really be trusted. how do we know that the jitter and shaking wasn't caused by the transfer for example? for all we know one could be a pin registered spirit transfer and the other a rotating prism one. i do think this pressure plate is a good idea, but i've never had such bad results as i see in the "before" examples, hardly even with the bad cartridges...

/matt

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Andec FilmTechnik Bildstand demo tape received

Andec FilmTechnik Bildstand demo tape received

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