super 16 short diary

[mattias]

Bullshit. Anybody can read your intitial posts on this show-off diary and see you're completely over the top giddy.

"anybody" wouldn't know this as well as i do, now would they? just trust me.

Really? Well you accomplished that then. I had no idea, I'm only commenting on what's there without script context. I suppose the dirt all over it and incompetant focus-pulling is part of it, too?

the dirt is a glitch that we'll deal with, don't worry, and the occasional soft focus is a calculated risk that we took because we agreed that "even if we get soft focus it'll look kind of cool as long as we get back again right after".

There's no excuse for having this "super 16 diary" on this board. It's pathetic and you'd be ridiculed a lot more elsewhere.

i wouldn't have called the thread that had i posted it on cinematography.com if that's what you mean. on here i think it's an excellent title, since formats and their respecive merits is pretty much all we talk about. every other thread is called "16mm stills", "super 8 feature", "regular 8 processing" and so on.

Look, you're just some dork/failure working in a video store, likely because you got shit-canned from your previous jobs as an advertising flunky because of your piss-poor know it-all-attitude and big mouth. That's obvious. There's some truth for you.

it doesn't work, i've no insecurities in that area. i'm very confident with my past career choices and so on, and nobody around me sees me as a failure either. i work weekends in a video store and i've once quit an advertising job due to "differences" between me and my boss (good guesswork, even though i've had a few jobs in edvertising after that and before the video store, which i chose since it's on weekends so i can write during the weeks). yes, that's "on target", but it's not truth that i'm trying to hide or am ashamed of, so it's not working. the only thing you obtain by saying these things is to look like an asshole. that's easy, but to actually stir something up too you have to write something edgier. i've felt hurt by people's word before on this forum, so it's not that hard. you came close on the "helping out vs showing off" thing, but that's so old i've stopped listening.

How does it feel? Having fun yet?

a bit, but only because of the fact that i've managed to pick a fight with you when it was you who tried to pick one with me. :-)

/matt

[MovieStuff]

Okay: the film looks far from "great". While it doesn't look bad, it is actually pretty average for independent film making working with basic instrumentation and skill.

i thought we were talking about technical quality

Says who? I speak my mind as I please. Don't try to marginalize the response you're getting by creating a sudden, new context that wasn't originally there. You posted a clip that has been responded to by myself and others. If you don't like the way people respond to your clip, get better at your craft or simply don't post. Or is this another example regarding attributes of a tiny web based clip that are beyond the comprehension of everyone else but you?

aesthetics is another thing, as is what you can accomplish with the budget you have.

What, is this another new context that we are supposed to now take into account? What happened to the simple truth that a clip you insist "everyone knows looks great" simply isn't great at all but, in fact, is very average? Can't you live with "average"?

You say you despise people that judge art by the artist. Is that what you think is going on here? That some of us feel this way about your clip because you are being a conceded prick? Of course not! But since you are being an such a conceded prick, we have no reason not to tell you how we really feel about your work. If the clip were really terrific, I would say so, even if I thought you were still being a conceded prick.

Again, humility won't make your work any better, but you'll certainly find more positive support from the peanut gallery. Truth only hurts when you listen. As such, I doubt you get hurt very often because you are too busy telling everyone else what's wrong with their work.

but of course, you can't judge from such a small frame anyway.

No, that's a right resevred solely for you, it would seem.

Roger

[mattias]

i'm kinda surprised about all the fuss with the "dirt"

i'm kind of surprised too. it's hardly even a problem, and we'll take care of it. like i said i think we might have gotten a better deal on the processing by not paying for cleaning. they do charge extra for cleaning according to their rate card.

/matt

[S8 Booster]

Wow!

Rogers´ "Love Affair" with mattias seem to have come to an end :!:

......... Mattias and I have a go every month or so and, frankly, I enjoy it. He's intelligent and sticks to the topic at hand. I always learn something when we "argue".

.......

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go formulate a vigorous response for Mattias' last post....

Roger

R

[MovieStuff]

Wow!

Rogers´ "Love Affair" with mattias seem to have come to an end :!:

Oh, it's a cycle we go through every so often or we wouldn't recognize each other on the forum. Like a good bowel movement, this too shall pass.....

Roger

[mattias]

i thought we were talking about technical quality

Says who?

*i thought*. that's why i said it looked great. sorry if i didn't make myself clear. sure you can talk about what you want, but please don't use a misunderstanding against me.

Again, humility won't make your work any better, but you'll certainly find more positive support from the peanut gallery

but i'm always humble about my work. like i said above i'm not trying to brag (even though i'm proud of the clip) and i've no idea where you got the idea that what i really mean when i say i don't like something else is that i can do better. this is obviously not the case. do you think roger ebert considers himself the best director on the planet?

Truth only hurts when you listen. As such, I doubt you get hurt very often because you are too busy telling everyone else what's wrong with their work.

that doesn't make sense. i always give positive or at least constructive critisism. when have i told somebody there was something wrong with their work? you can't possibly be suggesting that i dissed the baby clip in that other thread, can you? that looked great for what it was, and i congratulate anyone who has such material in their posession, but it was clearly "just a home movie". i dissed the person saying it looked like 16mm and that it was the best super 8 clip ever because it felt like an insult to those who've shot much better stuff on super 8 (i'm not including myself), and also to a degree those who shoot 16mm.

but of course, you can't judge from such a small frame anyway.

No, that's a right resevred solely for you, it would seem.

for christ's sake, i tried to reverse that joke to show how old it was getting...

/matt

[mattias]

Like a good bowel movement, this too shall pass...

yeah, i was already way too soft in that last post. perhaps it has something to do with the one week post prodcution fasting i'm always doing after being on location for a while to get the rotting pizza slices out. i just had two deciliters of prune juice and a cup of green tea for dinner...

/matt

[MovieStuff]

but i'm always humble about my work.

But you leave no quarter for others that have their own opinons about other people's work. The disdain you have for other people's opinion is obvious. That's the humility you lack. People don't have to agree with you nor face your wrath simply because they like something that you don't.

you can't possibly be suggesting that i dissed the baby clip in that other thread, can you?

You tell me:

somebody said a clip looked great, which it doesn't, so i pointed that out.

Clearly, you were dissing someone else's opinion AND the clip. He thought it was the best super 8 clip he had ever seen. Who are you to tell him otherwise? I mean it was the best that HE had seen. Had nothing to do with you, Mattias. And if he thought it looked like 16mm, what gives you the right to insult him for making that statement? Your lack of humility creates an impossible measuring stick that you guage everyone else with but yourself. Kinda gets old, my friend......

Roger

[Uppsala BildTeknik]

Don´t quit guys, this is kinda fun to read!
And I find myself waiting for the next post, checking the webpage all the time!

But I really agree with Roger. Mattias you either have:

A - No "people skills" at all and you yourself can´t realize that you infact are insulting people. This can hopefully change by learning some "people-skills". You already have great technical skills so we can only hope.

B - You are insulting people all the time because this is what you find amusing and don´t realize that nobody else thinks this is so fun (almost nobody). This can change if you realize that you are hurting way too many innocent people that doesen´t need to be hurt.

C - You are insulting people all the time realizing that people are getting hurt but you just don´t care about anybody else than yourself. This cannot change so easily, you need to grow up. Some people stay this way their whole lifes, never growing up. It is sad.

D - A mix of all of the above. I sure have no clue to how this can change, I have lost myself in the Mattias-brainjungle.

E - I myself have no clue what I am talking about. In this case I am the one with a thick head, now how can we fix that....


By the way Mattias, did you get my e-mail? I haven´t received any answer, maybe you need to think more or try to find some perfect clips.
Those perfect clips sure would be interesting....


Kent Kumpula

[mattias]

Mattias you either have:
A - No "people skills"

no, that's not it.

B - You are insulting people all the time because this is what you find it amusing

no, not that either.

C - You are insulting people all the time realizing that people are getting hurt but you just don´t care

of course not.

if i may do my own analysis i'm simply not always aware that not all people have the thick skin i do, and that the kind of talk i use with my friends maybe isn't always right for the web, which could be a subset of "a" i guess, and sometimes i insult people on purpose because i think they deserve it, which i guess falls under "c", but i do care. it's like serial killers. i've always wondered what people mean when they talked about them lacking emotions and showing no respect for human life. what point is there in killing someone if you don't know that it's wrong and that they won't like it? it's the emotional attachement that give them the kick.

By the way Mattias, did you get my e-mail?

sure thing. i was gonna reply today but i've been busy editing this short film i've been working on. :-)

/matt

[mattias]

somebody said a clip looked great, which it doesn't, so i pointed that out.

Clearly, you were dissing someone else's opinion AND the clip.

whatever. i never meant to though. i'm sure the author of the clip knows that it's a home movie and that if somebody says it looks bad compared to the best super 8 clips there are and to 16mm he won't mind.

/matt

[MovieStuff]

somebody said a clip looked great, which it doesn't, so i pointed that out.

Clearly, you were dissing someone else's opinion AND the clip.

whatever. i never meant to though.

Wow. I'd hate to be on the receiving end of a REAL insult. 8O

i'm sure the author of the clip knows that it's a home movie and that if somebody says it looks bad compared to the best super 8 clips there are and to 16mm he won't mind.

Not really the point, of course. What matters is how you treated the person that said they thought the clip looked great, not what you thought of the clip nor its origins.

Roger

[Uppsala BildTeknik]

not all people have the thick skin i do, and that the kind of talk i use with my friends maybe isn't always right for the web

I too talk "bad" with my friends, Everytime I call my brother on the phone I say "Hello, jackass!" but he knows this is a joke between us (he calls me a jackass too).

But if I would call Roger a jackass I´m not sure he would appreciate it, he doesen´t know it is a joke (but now he does, JACKASS!):lol:

When talking to people on the internet is is also impossible to use different tones in your voice, this way (when talking "live") we usually know if someone really thinks I am a jackass or if he is just kidding.

Specially when new people come to this board you must look a little bit of an asshole when they read some of your posts, but they don´t know you and don´t know that you have this "style" and talk this way with your friends. You could end up losing potential internet-friends because they already get a negative opinion about you, reading your posts.

You sure sound like a "I-know-it-all-and-nobody-else-knows-anything" guy.

You really do know a lot that is a fact.

But you don´t need to sound as if nobody else knew anything of value, sometimes you do.


Just some thoughts...


Kent Kumpula

[Filmosity]

What, are we in 4th grade? you guys are acting like a bunch of babies! Of all the boards I've ever been a part of, i've never seen such immaturity.

Why shouldn't Mattias be flush with joy about making a movie? Shouldn't we all? Isn't that what making movies is all about? What the fuck is everyone's problem?

I thought this was going to be an interesting and helpful board, but I was proven wrong.

I was happy Mattias started this diary. It's interesting to know what what others are doing.

You all need to grow up.

[Nigel]

I am sitting on both sides of the fence...I agree with Santo and Moviestuff to an extent. I think that the clip was dirty--It was decent clip but not hot. I think that Matt's Ego can get inflated too.

However, I can see why someone would feel good about shooting a short and wanting to share their glee with the world. I remember the first time I shot what I thought was a big film (my first paid 35mm gig) in NYC the Summer of 2001. I did a bit of bragging on the Brantley board.

All in all I think the topic has stayed in the ring and I haven't seen any low blows so bring it on...Hell, I haven't been this interested in the board in a long long long time.

Good Luck