Digital systems improves...but photo emulsions improves too

[Carlos 8mm]

Yes guys,

Just see the FUJI FILM home page (http://www.fuji.com), Motion Picture section and read the technical specifications of Fuji´s film stock maked with new technology.

I hope one day can load my cartridges with those new motion picture film stock!

I´m a little tired that Kodak continues being the only option in Negative or reversal color Super 8 stock.

Carlos.

[mIke]

Hallo Carlos

No doubt many would favour to select filmstock from several sources. Especially if this has clear advantages.

In an older thread you were interested in this superslow b/w Kahl stock. Your question wasnt answered so far. I too dont know who made this material. May be an eastern european supplier. Where by the way would you get the technical especifcations for Orwo film, is it web based?
I find it rather interesting that we now have an argie in our disc. group and that you develop your film material yourself. How is the scene down there in your country, e.g. is the movie film supply in south america guarranted? Keep on posting, your english is quite well !

Mike

[Carlos 8mm]

Hi, Mike!


About the origin of Kahl Film stock, Basstruc gave me the following information:

Kahl 21 stock is Orwo UN54 ISO 100 & Kahl 27 is Orwo N74 ISO 400.

You can find their thecnical specifications at:

http://www.filmotec.de/English_Site/Pro ... ducts.html

Today in Argentina still there´s no problem with film provision (Thanks, God!). But it´s more expensive to Us since December, 2001. The Argentine Peso falls from 1 to 0,27 U.S. Dollar!!

Carlos.

[mIke]

Carlos, thanks for the information you provided.

The first link you gave certainly needs a slight correction:
http://www.fujifilm.com/JSP/fuji/epartn ... .jsp?nav=1

Filmotec I didnt know. They seem to continue some Orwo stocks but they dont go lower than 16mm, do they?

In reference to the thread title and your reporting, I hope the economic situation around you improves too.

Mike

[Carlos 8mm]

Hi, Mike!

Yes!

Orwo manufactures 16 mm single perforation film with UN54 ISO 100 & N74 ISO 400 emulsions.

Mi experiences with these films (in Super 8 format) was very good. In spite of their grainess (see the tech specifications)these negative films developed with a Lomo Spiral tank & D-76 Kodak developer (who gives a less grainy and medium- contrast image), and then transferred to Video, looks pretty good. I´ll publish some pics of some shots with UN54 and N74. (cutted in S8 format by Kahl Film).

Cheers,

Carlos.

[Carlos 8mm]

HI, in these Web directions you can see pics extracted from a home-made video transfer with a Panasonic DVC- Pro AJ-D 400 video camera (up to 800 lines of vertical res.) and a condenser lens.

Shooted with Orwo UN 54 ISO 100 (Kahl):

http://ar.photos.yahoo.com/bc/kacemasar ... t&.hires=t

Shooted with Orwo N74 ISO 400 (kahl):

http://ar.photos.yahoo.com/bc/kacemasar ... t&.hires=t

With EXR 200T (not Vision 200T):

http://ar.photos.yahoo.com/bc/kacemasar ... t&.hires=t

And with K-40 (my favourite):

http://ar.photos.yahoo.com/bc/kacemasar ... t&.hires=t


Carlos.

[mIke]

Hi Carlos, thanks for introducing those test images to us. What kind of "home made transfer" was it actually?
I only use Kodachrome 40 but would be interested in using a faster film stock. I heard the processing tank can be ordered for a reasonable price from the Ukraine. So after your own experience for forinstants 10m N74 how long takes the processing procedure and how expensive is it (material cost) roughly alltogether ?

You mentioned in another thread the usage of a digital still cam + condenser lens for capturing S8 film frames. I tried this once (not an extensive test) employing a Nikon Coolpix 900' series in the macro mode and it seem to work quite well.
For the authentic workprinter from MovieStuff the usage of a still cam had been mentioned before in one of the workprinter threads in this discussion group or am I wrong ?

Best. Mike

[Carlos 8mm]

Hi all!!

Mike, I bought two years ago from Ukraine an used Lomo Developing tank.
This tank allows developing until 15 metres (50 ft) of Super 8, Double 8, 16 mm and 35 mm film. All this with my "cacerola" (I call it my "black pot"). It's easy to use, and develop film is really very fun! (but I'm only develop B&W film a a negative (Kodak Plus-x, Tri-x, Kahl 21, 24, 27 and Russian Svema film expired in 1992! . Still I don't try to make the reversal process because the negative film is transferred to video and later invert digitally with Premiere.

An Ukranian guy sells Lomo tanks, cameras, films and other accesories made in Ukraine or Russia His name is Olexandr Kalynychenko.

His Web page is:

http://www.geocities.com/russiancamera/


Enjoy!

Carlos.

[mIke]

Thanks Carlos for the information about Olex and tzhe tank. As pragmatists that they used to be the Soviets must have employed many of them;)
But can you talk once again out of you own experience (question repetion from above):

...for forinstants 10m N74 how long takes the processing
procedure and how expensive is it (material cost) roughly alltogether ?

Mike

[Carlos 8mm]

Hi all!!

Mike,
To develop B&W negative films like Kahl 21 & 27 I´m based on processing tables of some Kodak films like Plus-X Pan 125 and Tri-X Pan 400, and works fine.

To develop Kodak Plus- X and Tri-X as negative films, Martin Baughmarten sent to me information on the matter (Thanks, Martin!)

All the films are processed wtih a spiral Lomo Tank:

To develop Kahl 27 (B & W neg. Film ASA 400)

Developer: Kodak D-76 (1:1); 10 minutes at 20ºC (68º F)
Stop Bath : 30 seconds (Acetic acid at 2% in 1 1iter of water)
Fixed: Kodak rapid fixer (5 minutes)
Wash (with current water: 20-25 minutes)
Final wash: Destillated water with some dops of Kodak Photo –flo: 2-5 minutes


To develop Kahl 24 (Reversal B &W ASA 200) As negative film (overexposed 1 f-stop, just like as ASA 100 negative film):

Developer: Kodak D-76 (1:1); 10 minutes at 20ºC (68º F)
Stop Bath : 30 seconds (Acetic acid at 2% in 1 1iter of water)
Fixed: Kodak rapid fixer (5 minutes)
Wash (with current water: 20-25 minutes)
Final wash: Destillated water with some dops of Kodak Photo –flo: 2-5 minutes

To develop Kodak Tri-X as negative film overexposed 1 f-stop (ASA 100): The same process for Kahl 24 ASA 200 reversal film.

To develop Kodak Plus-X as negative film overexposed 1 f-stop (ASA 25):
Developer: Kodak D-76 (1:1) 6 minutes at 20ºC (68º F)
Stop Bath : 30 seconds (Acetic acid at 2% in 1 1iter of water)
Fixed: Kodak rapid fixer (5 minutes)
Wash (with current water: 20-25 minutes)
Final wash: Destillated water with some dops of Kodak Photo –flo: 2-5 minutes


To develop Kahl 21 (B & W neg. Film ASA 100)
Developer: Kodak D-76 (1:1) 7-8 minutes at 20ºC (68º F)
Stop Bath : 30 seconds (Acetic acid at 2% in 1 1iter of water)
Fixed: Kodak rapid fixer (5 minutes)
Wash (with current water: 20-25 minutes)
Final wash: Destillated water with some dops of Kodak Photo –flo: 2-5 minutes

The Kahl stock (In 60 meters cans) costs about € 29,00 + sending. See their Web Page: http://www.kahlfilm.de. Just click SHOP and then click Filmmaterial and select Super 8. If you want to buy 60 mts. of film cans, select Meterware. (But you will need to use reloadable casettes).
To know how to processig film with a Lomo tank I recomend you to read an article signed by Martin in His Web Page (The 8mm format Metadirectory) Very recommended Page!:

http://lavender.fortunecity.com/lavende ... lreel.html

Cheers,

Carlos.

[wahiba]

The advice is good. Especially about winding out of the cartridge onto a reel. I have made a fixture up, I think there is a picture on my web site, and it makes all the difference. Also the tilting of the reel while winding in means it goes properly into the spirals.

I must admit to always pouring the chemicals into the tank. Then I do not have a dark room. It is posible to carry all the manouevers in a devent sized changing bag. As I am basically testing the cameras my timings leave a lot to be desired, but it still works!

It is possible to process two 16mm wide films in the Lomo Tank. I must admit to never having had the light problem, so maybe there are variations of the tanks around.

[mIke]

Thanks folks for detailed information.
Hopefully, the developer and fixer mentioned are available in reasonable volume sizes. A Film + chemicals kit would be an attractive offer to be purchased. I'll gonna try to find it out if such is somewhere offered.

Mike

[Guest]

Don't forget about the czech foma b/w double super8, they are still manufacturing and Mr. John Schwind sells their film at a great price.