Ever wondered....?

Post by **Old Uncle Barry** » Thu Dec 05, 2002 10:35 am

:?
Over here (and no doubt in other areas too)in the UK we a re currently enjoying some of the cheapest K40 purchases ever.Prices range from about 7GBP to about 14GBP.
Have you ever stopped to wonder at what this stuff really costs to buy in?,let alone manufacture,market and sell on.Bear in mind that all retailers have to make some profit no matter how small.Naturally if you sell it cheap enough we buy it in shedloads (I have for one) thus the retailer makes his profits anyway.
Then you get respectable outlets selling the film at the higher end of the price range who seem unable or unwilling to lower their prices.Makes you wonder eh?[/i]

YouTube · Post by **wahiba** » Thu Dec 05, 2002 5:32 pm

The value of something is the price a willing buyer will give to a willing seller.

Until the inernet and forums such as this it was not very easy to determine what sellers elsewhere were always asking for a minority interest product such as this. Now we all know one wonders what the top price people will do. Not much, because their prices reflect a drop in and buy one or two. Cut prices require an initial bulk outlay and a willingness to store.

Post by **mattias** » Thu Dec 05, 2002 9:36 pm

wahiba wrote:The value of something is the price a willing buyer will give to a willing seller.

this isn't really true if there are more than one buyer and/or more than one seller, as you will see rather quickly if you read any contemporary book on micro economics, and it could also be argued that whatever money is invested in a product is its value, and not how much it sells for, depending on who you're asking. you're right that the profit margin of a reseller has very little to do with it though... :-)

(yes, i just love to argue non relevant points whenever i feel somebody is generalizing too much. call me anal)

/matt

Post by **Lucas Lightfeat** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 1:05 am

Old Uncle Barry

http://www.photomart.co.uk is Ã‚Â£7 a shot, but Ã‚Â£6 a shot if you buy 24. Couple 24 of these babies with a new Nizo from ebay and you're still only about a third of the price of piss poor miniDV camera

What I'm saying is, buy 24

and be happy!!!
Lucas

YouTube · Post by **wahiba** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 9:13 am

Dear Anal

Any contract is ultimately between two parties who agree the price of the willing seller and the willing buyer, whatever all those books propping up your projector have in them.

Devils Advocate a.k.a Adam Smith

Post by **S8 Booster** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 10:03 am

In Norway early this year it was possible to buy jittery K40 carts in Photo Shops for an equivalent of 40 Euro/USD/film (Approx Ã‚Â£26) and it still is but no jittery I hope.

Simoultanesly the K40 has been available directly from Kodak for about 19 Euro/USD/film (Approx Ã‚Â£13) dropped in my mail box including postage fees.

6-7 GBP is pretty much cheaper though. Time for a trip to "Publantic"?

Mid-week prices with Ryanair T/R London is sometimes down to Ã‚Â£20 or so. Hey! I will get a free BB, free trip to UK and free beer included with a year consumption of K40!

R

Post by **mattias** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 1:57 pm

wahiba wrote: Any contract is ultimately between two parties who agree the price of the willing seller and the willing buyer

that is true, but having to define an objects value separately for each and every transaction wouldn't be practical, and it can't be used before the transaction has taken place, which is a huge limitation. i agree that a market based approach to defining value is probably the best one, but it has to be based on more than one transaction (actually as many as possible) to be useful, and you will soon see that individual sales won't follow many of the rules. "the winner's curse", "asymetrical information" and so on is too powerful, and will throw your calculations into the chaos realm faster than you can say kodachrome... :-)

/matt

YouTube · Post by **wahiba** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 7:00 pm

caveat emptor

As for a day trip to blighty for film, better to use the EU open market rules as the best prices are mail order only. Probably the best buy over the counter is Jessops, where they give a 10% discount if you buy 10 or more films. They can be mixed. Trouble would be finding a Jessops with 10 Super-8 films, although a smaller number could be mixed with still films.

let the buyer beware

Post by **Lucas Lightfeat** » Fri Dec 06, 2002 9:46 pm

This is true wahiba. Take note European continentals, that you can get these daels from your own country, albeit with an exchange rate cost.

I'm sure if you try to find an internet based photo-shop supply warehouse in France or Germany, they'll be doing similar prices for bulk-buying.

http://www.photomart.co.uk is a supply shop for very amateur photography shops, like processing centres, and K40 is the only Super8 product they sell.

Also check that the stock is now post-3631 7768 batch, or else you'll need to buy it and send it to Kodak for re-embursing, due to the jitter problem. Kodak are super-cool about doing this, and even re-emburse postage, in my experience.

Post by **S8 Booster** » Sat Dec 07, 2002 7:07 am

wahiba wrote:caveat emptor

As for a day trip to blighty for film, better to use the EU open market rules as the best prices are mail order only. Probably the best buy over the counter is Jessops, where they give a 10% discount if you buy 10 or more films. They can be mixed. Trouble would be finding a Jessops with 10 Super-8 films, although a smaller number could be mixed with still films.

let the buyer beware

Hmmm.. only one tiny Catch(22): We are not in the EU and the prices get doubled before they are in me hand.

However, I have relatives in the UK who can bring them here on their next annual visit!

R

Post by **svabo** » Sat Dec 07, 2002 4:12 pm

At Daniel Wittner in germany becomes the price for stock 10 K40, approximately 150 EUR, included packing and bankcharge.

Post by **moviesko** » Sat Dec 07, 2002 5:02 pm

KAHL Film &TV in Germany sells 20 pack of K40 for 200 Eur. They have also their on negative film stock.

http://www.kahlfilm.de/kahlfilm/deutsch ... Farbe.html

Post by **paul** » Sat Dec 07, 2002 10:01 pm

This is awfully cheap! I wonder where all these low priced offers come from; how they can be explained. Applying to the supply/demand mechanism this should mean a positive thing. Or is K40 on sale, but for what reason? Well, let's enjoy it.

Paul

Post by **Lucas Lightfeat** » Mon Dec 09, 2002 6:51 pm

Super8 Booster,

Hmmm.. only one tiny Catch(22): We are not in the EU and the prices get doubled before they are in me hand.

However, I have relatives in the UK who can bring them here on their next annual visit!

Is Norway really not in the EU - what are you people doing for crying out loud? I thought England was bad not going for monetary union, but if you're not even in the EU, you might as well be Switzerland...or Uzbekistan! Do you have to get a visa to visit other European countries?

KAHL Film &TV in Germany sells 20 pack of K40 for 200 Eur. They have also their on negative film stock.

http://www.kahlfilm.de/kahlfilm/deutsch ... Farbe.html

sounds as good as photomart.co.uk to me, especially for people buying in Euros

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Dec 24, 2002 4:31 pm

KAHL Film &TV in Germany sells 20 pack of K40 for 200 Eur. They have also their on negative film stock.

Thought Kahl beat them all, but the price is without taxes, and with taxes included Wittner is cheaper.

Just found out my super 8 shop here in town has closed down their business. It was a hundred year old shop, the old fashioned kind, where I could go for my k40 's, reels, bulbs etc.. They were also enclosed by mainly fashion shops etc.; all franchise kind of companies. A lot of people like these old fashioned shops, but they can't compete. Anyway, I can't run to town anymore for to get me some super8 films, or some reels I went for today etc. but will be dependant on postorders. Well, there is another shop here which sells k40, but for 22 Euro a piece. Ok, I put an order with Wittner, which is not that bad, since they are really cheap.

Merry christmas, happy new year, and happy filming in 2003!