Is Super 8 a nerdy guy thing, or is it just talking about it on a forum too nerdy for females to join in?
Where are all the chicks
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Where are all the chicks
One thing missing from this forum is lack of female super 8 users and film makers.
Is Super 8 a nerdy guy thing, or is it just talking about it on a forum too nerdy for females to join in?
Is Super 8 a nerdy guy thing, or is it just talking about it on a forum too nerdy for females to join in?
It's not the size that counts, its what u do with it!
A lot of girls show up at the Echo Park Film Center in Los Angeles. I know a few Japanese girls that are exchange students at College of the Canyons in Santa Clarita, CA that have taken the Super 8 class. I sat in on the Super 8 class at Otis Art College (also in Los Angeles) and about half the class was girls (not to mention the teacher).
I'll try to recruit some!
I'll try to recruit some!
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I don't know what the demographic break down of the casual Super8 user is.
I will say that as a general rule I encounter Male DPs and Female ACs...I have a female AC--Who is great and would die if I didn't have her. Yet, when I ask her what is going on with her reel and when will she put it together she never has a good answer. Hell, I have told her countless times that she can take either of my cameras out when ever she wants--But she never has.
When I was shooting in NYC a few years back I had this talk with another shooter and he said flat out "It's a mans world. Why do I want a woman taking my job?" It seems to me that women are less likely to fight their way past that kind of shit to the top.
Women are far better listeners than men and they seem to approach things with a more helpful attitude. Which may be part of the reason why they get stuck being an AC for their whole life.
That is not to say that there aren't any female shooters out there--Because there are some damn goods ones that I only hope to AC for. The only female DP I do know got sick of clawing her way to the top so now she teaches Cinematography.
Either way--Women aren't equally represented in many areas of the film-industry. Cinematography being one of the worst offenders. How many women do you see at NAB, Cine-Gear or even at your local rental house??
Good Luck
PS--She won't see it but thanks Brie you kick ass.
I will say that as a general rule I encounter Male DPs and Female ACs...I have a female AC--Who is great and would die if I didn't have her. Yet, when I ask her what is going on with her reel and when will she put it together she never has a good answer. Hell, I have told her countless times that she can take either of my cameras out when ever she wants--But she never has.
When I was shooting in NYC a few years back I had this talk with another shooter and he said flat out "It's a mans world. Why do I want a woman taking my job?" It seems to me that women are less likely to fight their way past that kind of shit to the top.
Women are far better listeners than men and they seem to approach things with a more helpful attitude. Which may be part of the reason why they get stuck being an AC for their whole life.
That is not to say that there aren't any female shooters out there--Because there are some damn goods ones that I only hope to AC for. The only female DP I do know got sick of clawing her way to the top so now she teaches Cinematography.
Either way--Women aren't equally represented in many areas of the film-industry. Cinematography being one of the worst offenders. How many women do you see at NAB, Cine-Gear or even at your local rental house??
Good Luck
PS--She won't see it but thanks Brie you kick ass.
Holy FATHER OF ALL POOH!! 8O Super8man, may I ask where did you find this picture? It's a spitting image of my girl with the kind of retro hair style I have always dreamed and begged her to have. :oops:super8man wrote:Yeah, where is this girl:
.. Just for the record, I never force her to do anything she feels uncomfortable doing and as a matter in fact, I think I spoil her. (She just shaved my head bald three nights ago because she disliked my hair style that much.
) Oh, Super8man, THANK YOU SO MUCH!! Do I feel my comeback... :twisted: lol...:Meow?:
Re: Where are all the chicks
I'm not sure about nerdy (there are nerdy girls out there too anyway) but when I first found this board I came across other forums that were full of hostility towards various groups in society, and felt that I wouldn't dare or want to post or read such hateful forums. I can't imagine a woman would be very welcome on them except as a springboard for personal innuendo.soundboy wrote:
Is Super 8 a nerdy guy thing, or is it just talking about it on a forum too nerdy for females to join in?
On other boards I suspect you also could not post without getting patronizing replies or the assumption that you know nothing about anything.
Here it's quite nice because even tho there are a few people involved in the industry such as Nigel, it's also a S8 forum so it tends to attract a wide variety of different kind of people. Mostly you are allowed to not know things, nobody tends to assume people know things or don't know things. and you can ask about basic things and people are nice.
I'm sure a lot of women wouldn't be lucky enough to find this board on their first venture out and would decide it wasn't worth bothering with.
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As to women in the industry generally, I think a lot of women hang around for a while and have the good sense to get out or find a related field. It's a bit like the computer industry.
As a woman in the industry you will have a much harder time being taken seriously. I used to be involved to a certain extent as a sound recordist but I have largely lost interest in it. Most people are not expecting a female sound recordist for starters and when one turns up you can tell they expect her not to know anything, whether they mean to be that way or not. I mean I have seen a growing number of adverts lately for a sound man (wherever that came from, maybe it's a tv industry thing?) and what woman in her right mind would bother applying for such a position (especially when they are often of the nature of "we want a sound man to work for free"?) It is clear from the get go that they have a clear idea of the person they want for the position and it isn't you!
To give just one example of the kind of thing I mean, a female producer suggested I might be able to help with postproduction sound on someones film. I went there and discussed the film with the director. The film seemed to suffer from the most appaling hiss, like you can't believe. I couldn't quite work out where it was coming from because the hiss seemed to be all over the location sound, and the location sound was recorded on DAT. I wondered if the sound had been imported via the soundcard on the computer as opposed to a digital transfer from the DAT. The fellow in question didn't know what I meant so I tried to explain about making a digital transfer and that it was almost lossless. During this I must have said something to the effect that you could copy from one DAT to another via the digital connection with no apparent loss in sound quality as it was a digital transfer.
This got me into a lot of trouble as the director disagreed violently with this and even the producer chimed in to say that this wasn't so, everyone knows that you always get massive generational losses when you copy from one tape to another. It was now clear that I knew nothing of even the basics of sound. I felt really embaressed. I wanted to think of a way that they could be right. I couldn't really think of anything. I left feeling a little ashamed.
I guess it was a good lesson to not discuss anything technical with people you are working with, you can just do the job and it will seem like magic and they will be amazed, they will probably assume you had a man help you but they will be happy. You can possibly even have a little sound production company and have an imaginary man that you go to who knows all the really important stuff. Of course that limits what you can do. I would have had to remove the hiss from the computer recordings rather than seeing if it was possible to get a better transfer from the dat but there we are.
The best thing to do is to just avoid any of the more technical side of filmmaking. You can probably be an assistant director or perhaps work in the art or costume departments, I expect? Not sure what other things would be good off the top of my head.
The film industry is quite a sexist one generally anyway, just check out the stuff about lav mikes in the "Guerilla Film Makers Movie Blueprint" (I think thats the one, it's got a blue cover). It was very funny, probably the most entertaining part of the book. I had a good giggle when I read that bit.
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Freya
As a woman in the industry you will have a much harder time being taken seriously. I used to be involved to a certain extent as a sound recordist but I have largely lost interest in it. Most people are not expecting a female sound recordist for starters and when one turns up you can tell they expect her not to know anything, whether they mean to be that way or not. I mean I have seen a growing number of adverts lately for a sound man (wherever that came from, maybe it's a tv industry thing?) and what woman in her right mind would bother applying for such a position (especially when they are often of the nature of "we want a sound man to work for free"?) It is clear from the get go that they have a clear idea of the person they want for the position and it isn't you!
To give just one example of the kind of thing I mean, a female producer suggested I might be able to help with postproduction sound on someones film. I went there and discussed the film with the director. The film seemed to suffer from the most appaling hiss, like you can't believe. I couldn't quite work out where it was coming from because the hiss seemed to be all over the location sound, and the location sound was recorded on DAT. I wondered if the sound had been imported via the soundcard on the computer as opposed to a digital transfer from the DAT. The fellow in question didn't know what I meant so I tried to explain about making a digital transfer and that it was almost lossless. During this I must have said something to the effect that you could copy from one DAT to another via the digital connection with no apparent loss in sound quality as it was a digital transfer.
This got me into a lot of trouble as the director disagreed violently with this and even the producer chimed in to say that this wasn't so, everyone knows that you always get massive generational losses when you copy from one tape to another. It was now clear that I knew nothing of even the basics of sound. I felt really embaressed. I wanted to think of a way that they could be right. I couldn't really think of anything. I left feeling a little ashamed.
I guess it was a good lesson to not discuss anything technical with people you are working with, you can just do the job and it will seem like magic and they will be amazed, they will probably assume you had a man help you but they will be happy. You can possibly even have a little sound production company and have an imaginary man that you go to who knows all the really important stuff. Of course that limits what you can do. I would have had to remove the hiss from the computer recordings rather than seeing if it was possible to get a better transfer from the dat but there we are.
The best thing to do is to just avoid any of the more technical side of filmmaking. You can probably be an assistant director or perhaps work in the art or costume departments, I expect? Not sure what other things would be good off the top of my head.
The film industry is quite a sexist one generally anyway, just check out the stuff about lav mikes in the "Guerilla Film Makers Movie Blueprint" (I think thats the one, it's got a blue cover). It was very funny, probably the most entertaining part of the book. I had a good giggle when I read that bit.
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Freya
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Lol! Yeah it's like this German music video at the moment where these 2 guys are being filmed by this entirely female camera crew of beautiful women with a big arri and they are doing all this sexy dancing and posing and getting all sexy with the lightmeter! *giggle*crimsonson wrote:Yeah with things like
"Where are the chicks?"
and using 1970's bikini photos, they flocking to this forum as we write.
It made me smile at least.
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