Pedro
>I believe, that the special shutter concept of the Beaulieu...
You mean the viewfinder concept dont you?
>The Canon is definitively not built
that way, it´s built like the big mass of S8-cameras, with that beam splitter
prisma, nothing special at all.
Some Nizos and other 8mm cameras also have "nothing (no prisma) inbetween".
>Besides Beaulieu, I think only Leica cameras
share the same strategy.
No, they do not at all. At least their super8mm's dont ;)
>The mentioned test results...
It seems more kind of nostalgic, impressionistic and illustrated tale (...I think,... if memory serves well" etc.).
Nothing "must be assumed " it lacks data for reproduction isnt it, Tom?
mIke
6008 S ( beaulieu ) any reccomendations or worries./
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Beaulieus are way better
Mike wrote:
>Some Nizos and other 8mm cameras also have "nothing (no prisma) inbetween".
All of the nizos I know of uses prisms to split the image to the viewfinder. What other camera is prism free besides the Beaulieu? I have used many s8 cameras before and only the ones with full ground glass plates are reliable for sharpness. Ther only other way I can think of is to measure the exact distance using a well collminated and tuned camera.
Last year, the LA film group tested a Canon 1014, a Nizo 6080, and a Beaulieu 7008 with an Angenieux 6-90 1,4. We shot some K40 using a tungston light. We had to measure distances with the Canon and Nizo. The footage was compared and the footage from the Angenieux glass had more accurate colors and saturation than the Scnhneider and Canon glass. The sharpness from all 3 cameras were pretty close because we measured with a measuring tape. If we used longer focal lengths like in the 60-90mm range, I would not trust the Canon or Nizo at all for sharp focus. It is really easy to get Beaulieu lenses colminated since they are removable. How would much work will it take to colminate built in lenses?
IMHO the Beaulieu is the only one I trust for serious work. I use my Nizos for vacations and casual shooting.
Cheers,
Souper8
>Some Nizos and other 8mm cameras also have "nothing (no prisma) inbetween".
All of the nizos I know of uses prisms to split the image to the viewfinder. What other camera is prism free besides the Beaulieu? I have used many s8 cameras before and only the ones with full ground glass plates are reliable for sharpness. Ther only other way I can think of is to measure the exact distance using a well collminated and tuned camera.
Last year, the LA film group tested a Canon 1014, a Nizo 6080, and a Beaulieu 7008 with an Angenieux 6-90 1,4. We shot some K40 using a tungston light. We had to measure distances with the Canon and Nizo. The footage was compared and the footage from the Angenieux glass had more accurate colors and saturation than the Scnhneider and Canon glass. The sharpness from all 3 cameras were pretty close because we measured with a measuring tape. If we used longer focal lengths like in the 60-90mm range, I would not trust the Canon or Nizo at all for sharp focus. It is really easy to get Beaulieu lenses colminated since they are removable. How would much work will it take to colminate built in lenses?
IMHO the Beaulieu is the only one I trust for serious work. I use my Nizos for vacations and casual shooting.
Cheers,
Souper8
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Souper8, how can you trust a beaulieu at long focal lengths when they vignette so badly on most cameras?
Also, the colour a lens produces is to do with the coating of the lens, and on the Canon 1014 XLS and Nizo 6080, they were both multicoated specificaly to compensate for Kodachrome 40 colour imbalance. I think they look much better, so it is a matter of opinion, in my opinion, and it doesn't really matter anyway...
If we get so uptight about the smidgens of quality difference with different "top" Super8 cameras, why shoot Super8 at all? It's simply not as good as Super16mm in cinematography terms, but we like it anyway, perhaps because it's not as good, so why does everybody get so analy defensive of their camera and start slating the others? They're all good, aren't they?
All have pros and cons:
Only the Nizo is quiet enough for good sound, only the Canon is bulletproof, only the beaulieus have ground glass.
Then again, those damn beaulieus vignette so awfuly, those Nizo light meters break down all the time and the Canon, well...I don't like the colours?????
Come on guys, stop comparing dick sizes here
Also, the colour a lens produces is to do with the coating of the lens, and on the Canon 1014 XLS and Nizo 6080, they were both multicoated specificaly to compensate for Kodachrome 40 colour imbalance. I think they look much better, so it is a matter of opinion, in my opinion, and it doesn't really matter anyway...
If we get so uptight about the smidgens of quality difference with different "top" Super8 cameras, why shoot Super8 at all? It's simply not as good as Super16mm in cinematography terms, but we like it anyway, perhaps because it's not as good, so why does everybody get so analy defensive of their camera and start slating the others? They're all good, aren't they?
All have pros and cons:
Only the Nizo is quiet enough for good sound, only the Canon is bulletproof, only the beaulieus have ground glass.
Then again, those damn beaulieus vignette so awfuly, those Nizo light meters break down all the time and the Canon, well...I don't like the colours?????
Come on guys, stop comparing dick sizes here
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mIke
So you see its actually a 6008s thread so I dont want to interfere here too much:
souper8
>All of the nizos I know of uses prisms to split the image to the viewfinder.
Sure? I read about the earlier compact cameras e.g. "special 136".
>What other camera is prism free besides the Beaulieu?
Agfa family ;)
I possibly do not know all as not every Beaulieu might be beam path prism free. If someone is interested we may open another thread to this topic.
Best. Mike
souper8
>All of the nizos I know of uses prisms to split the image to the viewfinder.
Sure? I read about the earlier compact cameras e.g. "special 136".
>What other camera is prism free besides the Beaulieu?
Agfa family ;)
I possibly do not know all as not every Beaulieu might be beam path prism free. If someone is interested we may open another thread to this topic.
Best. Mike