a beautiful s8 transfer

Post by **amwf** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:16 pm

Here we go again.
So many skeptics on this forum.

The clip on our website that says FSFT Demo is exclusively Super 8!!!!!!
The effect that the rising sun shot has on it is achieved with a DVNR noise reducer. We can set the box up to mix the video frames together and completely remove the grain. A interesting effect for timelaspe shots. Something I will do as a second pass on transfers if it looks like it will work with the shot.

I put Shralp's Santuary film up because I thought it was a great example of the quality that can be attained with Super 8. The clip clearly states that that it is not exclusively Super 8, I thought that would be enough of a discalmer. A few shots in the open are 16mm and the interviews are DV but the rest of the film is Super 8. All the timelaspe shots are Super 8.
Quite a few of the shots from his film are in our S8 demo.

On a seperate matter I did transfer T-Scan's Vison2 500 S8 and all I can say is that film is amazing. I have transferred Vision2 500 in both S16 to HD and S8 in SD and it looks fantastic in both. It is truly amazing to have such a high speed film that can look so smooth and glossy. I believe the Vison2 stocks will be a big boost to S8 users and the viability of S16 to HD.

I think our demo is one of the best examples you'll find anywhere
of what can be achieved with the S8 medium.
If anyone wants to see the quality of our work contact me off the forum
and I would be happy to arrange something.

Post by **S8 Booster** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:37 pm

Is it really that difficult for you (any) to upload a full size frame from the captured film? Raw & manipulated - it is time to deliver.

I and others have asked for this every time a promo for your services appear on this site.

Somthing like a frame from film transferred to MiniDV 720x480 NTSC of 720x576PAL?

Those small format net clips are useless as a (any) reference except for exactly: net.

That is all I ask for. Until then goodbye.

Sample format:

R

Post by **coors** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:35 am

Again... I edit my post. Judgement is always late in coming, with me. My brain must be a four cylinder engine... and 3 sparkplugs are fouled terribly!

Owen

Post by **Freya** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:54 am

Wow this is really wierd, I don't know how you have all managed to get so confused! Perhaps it is the way the text on the website is laid out that makes it not completely clear there are 2 clips or something??

The first is a demo of the Super8 stuff at flying spot, it is available in quick time and windows media formats.

The second is a film that contains a fair amount of S8 footage that is only available in windows media format.

The first is completely Super8 footage, yes even that bit with the sunrise over the mountain!

The second, as it states on the website, also has other formats mixed in.

Personally I was really happy to have the other video file of the whole film, it contains more S8 footage and puts it all in context. If you only want to see S8 footage, just download the flyingspot demo which is available in quicktime and windows media formats.

love

Freya

Post by **Freya** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:05 am

S8 Booster wrote:Is it really that difficult for you (any) to upload a full size frame from the captured film? Raw & manipulated - it is time to deliver.

Why would you want it raw and unmanipulated?
Surely if you are paying for such a high end service then you are specifically paying to have it manipulated!

Otherwise there are lots of much, much cheaper places you can get transfers done?

I can imagine it probably *is* very difficult as flying spot don't have the original film, it is owned by shralp and even if he lent it to them they would have to spend expensive telecine time in making such a frame, because the gates will need to be changed and everything (I can't imagine they have a shadow dedicated only to S8 after all!).

Do you want such a frame so you can compare different film stocks independant of the work of the colourist?

love

Freya

Post by **Freya** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:12 am

coors wrote: [The clip on our website that says FSFT Demo is exclusively Super 8!!!!!!quote]

Are you talking about the clip that you changed to NOW, in place of the 16mm, DV, Super8 mix (Shralp's: "Santuary") that we are all talking about?

Owen

Okay it definitely must be the way it's laid out on the webpage.
I guess it needs to be clearer that there are two different video's, a demo and an actual film.

Perhaps each file should be in it's own box/table thing.

love

Freya

Post by **coors** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:03 am

Now I see both. Thanks freya!

Owen

Post by **Freya** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:04 am

Just watching the demo clip again and the helicopter clip is definitely not super16. Apart from anything else the aspect ratio is 4:3 and not 16:9.

It does look especially good tho! But then surely that is a good thing. ;)

love

Freya

Post by **Freya** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:08 am

coors wrote:Now I see both. Thanks freya!

Owen

That's okay it's nice to help people!

Hey I've been to clearwater! It was very, very hot and I had to take off my cardigan and everything. I spent a lot of time running from one air conditioner to another! ;)

love

Freya

Post by **S8 Booster** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:33 am

Freya wrote:
S8 Booster wrote:Is it really that difficult for you (any) to upload a full size frame from the captured film? Raw & manipulated - it is time to deliver.

Why would you want it raw and unmanipulated?
Surely if you are paying for such a high end service then you are specifically paying to have it manipulated!

love

Freya

1) Verifying the machinery/service/performance of the transfer
2) Verifying how *good* the raw *takes* are vs final results.

Freya wrote:I can imagine it probably *is* very difficult as flying spot don't have the original film, it is owned by shralp and even if he lent it to them they would have to spend expensive telecine time in making such a frame, because the gates will need to be changed and everything (I can't imagine they have a shadow dedicated only to S8 after all!).

love

Freya

Makes no sense to me 8O :?:
Anyone (Shralp? / TH?) can easily send 1 frame from (at least) his transfered films and post it on this site. Asked for every time this is brought up and no action seen. Since this has produced quite some racket before it is reasonable that they come up with *something*.

I was positive at first when Shralp posted his first clips. When there came up some doubt [Now reasonable seeing the confusing *mix* on the TH WEB site clips] I told him to post some full size images of the transferred films. He never did and so the TH not. It is sooooo easy to meet this demand for either one.

Last but not least, from a personal point of view, I think good [the best] *takes* should allways be the aim/reference. I am not so much interested in how much the transfer can be tweaked in post processing. From a technical point of view a *straight* transfer shows how well the film maker/photographer is in terms of exposure/grain etc.

R

Post by **steve hyde** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:40 am

I'm glad we have had this conversation. Eric, thanks for clarifying the details of the samples from your website. These samples are infact the cleanist, most beautiful S8 transfers I've seen on the web. I have approximately 16 rolls that I plan to take to Forde Motion Picture lab to be prepped for telecine then I'll ride my bicycle down to Flying Spot for a session.

Again, thanks

Steve

Post by **steve hyde** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:50 am

can anyone tell me where to go for V2 500T film? Kodak doesn't advertise it.

Thanks in advance.

Steve

Post by **amwf** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:54 am

Here are three 720x480 images from our S8 demo.
I can only give you the color corrected versions because I do not have access to the film elements anymore.
Maybe another time I can do pre and post color correction with some other footage.

K40

K40

Vision 200T

Post by **Freya** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:47 am

S8 Booster wrote:
Makes no sense to me 8O :?:
Anyone (Shralp? / TH?) can easily send 1 frame from (at least) his transfered films and post it on this site. Asked for every time this is brought up and no action seen. Since this has produced quite some racket before it is reasonable that they come up with *something*.

Well it shouldn't be hard to post frames from the actual transferred films but these will of course have been manipulated.

Unmanipulated footage would be harder unless Shralp has a workprinter.

Last but not least, from a personal point of view, I think good [the best] *takes* should allways be the aim/reference. I am not so much interested in how much the transfer can be tweaked in post processing. From a technical point of view a *straight* transfer shows how well the film maker/photographer is in terms of exposure/grain etc.

That's definitely true but this is really about the quality of the telecine service rather than the ability of the filmmaker.

I mean, what you are paying all the money for is the ability of a skilled colourist, otherwise you could get the footage transferred more cheaply elsewhere. That's why certain colourists are so much in demand in Hollywood.

If you are just after a really straight raw transfer then you could just get a best light transfer on a Rank somewhere and save money.

love

Freya

Post by **Freya** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:53 am

steve hyde wrote:can anyone tell me where to go for V2 500T film? Kodak doesn't advertise it.

Thanks in advance.

Steve

You can get it from Kodaks Motion Picture division:

1-800-621-FILM(3456)

or at least you should be able to!
Ring them and ask!

love

Freya

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