A Not So Funny But Important Jitter Supressing Observation

Post by **S8 Booster** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:34 pm

This is no new observation to me but what is new is that my small Canon 310 XL cause the same camera buck nÃ‚Â´yaw as my 1014 XL-S when on a tripod.

I am shooting a Fuji 500T cart and wanted to do a [random] Jitter verification run on a test chart. Rigged the 310 on a pretty good Slik pod. I knew that this config will start oscillating with the 1014 but became even more so when I noticed the small 310 do the same.

So, I rigged the Libec 30 which did the job.

Used the PP.

Do not ecpect wonders.

Will post results.

Did a test with my R10 too but with a new K40. Carved some room for the stop pin in the original Kodak PP which otherwise can be a mis-match but used the modded Frame Master (room for the stop pin) as well.
Just out of curiosity.

R

Post by aj » Tue Jun 15, 2004 8:31 pm

It hardly exists.

It is the personal obsession for some who happen to write a lot about it.

This is from the other thread. And it applies to you...

Stop this nonsense about all the jitter and jitter free combinations.

Post by **escubria** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 8:42 pm

Well, at this stage we all know why there can be jitter: badly designed super 8 carts; so if you want a stable image, more than anything else, use other 8mm options eg. single 8, DS8 or other proper transport systems that are proven.

Post by **S8 Booster** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 8:53 pm

so it is no problem if the cam oscillates severely at 18 Hz then? i am not talking about cart originated jitter but unsteady images originating from unsteady cam mounts. try to convince me it is of no importance your cleverness.

R

Post by **S8 Booster** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:26 pm

And this problem ofcourse applies to all cameras and film formats.

R

Post by **Scotness** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:59 pm

aj wrote:
It hardly exists.

It is the personal obsession for some who happen to write a lot about it.
This is from the other thread. And it applies to you...

Stop this nonsense about all the jitter and jitter free combinations.

And here's my response from that thread!

Too right I'm obsessed by it! I wasted thousands of dollars and hours on In My Image due to 40-50 cartridges that were faulty - including some where the image was so bad it couldn't be used at all. Kodak finally admitted this and refunded the cost of the cartridges - but of course not all the other costs in locations, equipment, freight, time spent organising the various shoots and then later spent trying to correct the image with stabilisation software - it was a huge pain in the arse and before I shoot another feature film on Super 8 I want to be quite confident that the problem has been well and truly solved - thankfully it's looking like it's not much of a problem now - but believe me aj it has been a HUGE problem.

Scot

Post by **mattias** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:55 am

andre has a small dick, or he's fat, or he can't play football, or whatever. anyway, don't pay much attention to him.

/matt

Post by **escubria** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:03 am

We all have to compensate I suppose.

Post by **Scotness** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:29 am

:biggrin: =D> :badgrin:

Post by **Angus** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:00 pm

We all know there was a jitter problem with the cartridges around 3 years ago, but I firmly believe that has been solved.

Any remaining problems are due to the nature of film itself in that it always moves a little. Sure mounting the cam as steadily as possible will help, but the fact is there is now no problem specific to the super 8 format, whereas at the time Scot was shooting "In My Image" there definately was.

Post by aj » Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:34 pm

mattias wrote:andre has a small dick, or he's fat, or he can't play football, or whatever. anyway, don't pay much attention to him.

/matt

Weren't you worried about political correctness and being sexist? etc
Have you sold your books yet to fund your ticket?

My fysiology is OK. I am also fit for a marathon anyday of the week.

My mentals are OK too. I am not the only one to spot and name the nonsense brought up here every day of the week by S8booster.

Post by aj » Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:37 pm

Scotness wrote:
not much of a problem now - but believe me aj it has been a HUGE problem.

Scot

You had better underlined HAS BEEN.

I am convinced it was a tragedy then. But now it is turning into an urban legend or something.

Post by **Commodore** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:59 pm

Hooray! Hostilities!

8O

Post by **matt5791** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:19 pm

I have to say that I have not encountered any jitters for a long time either with K40, Negative or the Pro8 filled cartridges, and the last time I did I put it down to my Nizo Pro.

Matt

Post by **S8 Booster** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:32 pm

The cart jitter was never never the issue of this post - how difficult can this be for some?

However, when the camera is on a tripod when using a remote control and the camera head shakes rattles and rolls the images will look like jittery and the image may appear to float from side to side ie unstable images and jittery like.

Still difficult to understand?

If it wasenÃ‚Â´t for the partial shitty response I might have been bothered to post some video clips but then I guess I am accused of faking the material - made in some adobe design cheater software.

To put it in short:
Bolt your cam onto a mountain cliff equivalent if you want to examine how stable your cams images are.
Actually recommended or 35mm cam lens & film testing.

R