What's the future for the DOUBLE super 8?

[mike]

UGO:
you mentioned you knew somebody who had a factory who could manufacture the perforating machines. What is the contact of the factory?

Kodak europe sells the k25 ds8 for about $60 (usd) processing included.

sorry to hear about simplepix. They seemed to overprice the itmes the last I checked.



mike
homer0thompson@yahoo.com

[shoot1st]

Kodak europe sells the k25 ds8 for about $60 (usd) processing included.

Last I heard they'd stopped production of DS8 altogether. Anybody know better?

[wahiba]

I was interested to read the comments about Orwochrome. Until 1989 this was the East German film, probably and old Agfa factory. If it is still in existence then it might be one of these non descript films which are just labeled 'made in the european union'

The slide film was actually quite good value for money.

In 1974 I visited the USSR and noticed double-super 8 was on sale. I had never heard of it until then. I assumed it was a way for the Eastern block to upgrade their cameras cheaply, and possibly avoid any Kodak patents on cartridges.

The only East European film available in the UK was Technopan 8. In 1967 it was 1:1:0 (1.68 EU) against 1:9:11 (2.39 EU) for Kodachrome, both including processing. It was awful and was not worth it. The bargain at the time was Ilfochrome, four reels for 3:11:3 (5.70 EU) including procesing and returned on a 200' reel.

to understand 1:10:5 you needed to be alive in the UK, and understand the currency system, before 1971 (pounds, shillings and pence - roll on the Euro)

[Guest]

So most Eastern Bloc home movies would be on DS8 rather than Super 8 or Double 8?

[wahiba]

I do not know, but it would be interesting to find out. Obviously double-super8 models of all the Russian double standard 8 cameras were made. I saw it on my one and only visit to the USSR in 1973. It was on sale in Moscow, Lenigrad and Riga. Unfortunately I was a poor student at the time and the only camera I had was a 120 folding roll film.

Now the barrier is down maybe someone on this forum knows?

[David M. Leugers]

I think that there are enough DS-8mm cameras around that if film were readily available, the use of DS-8mm film would skyrocket. The Canon DS-8mm Scoopic and the converted Bolex DS-8mm cameras are simply the best S-8mm cameras ever made. Really professional grade. Everything from the registration due to their polished metal pressure plates and superb transport to the quality of their lenses. Sharp and rock steady images are insured. Let alone the ruggedness and versatility of the designs. I'm beginning to drool.... The Bolex variety when modified from the latest Rex-4 H8 or H16 camera original can have a crystal sync motor from Tobin for around $900. J+K camera will modify your H-8 to DS-8 for $500. You can buy H-8Rex cameras every week on eBay, often for less than $200. The point is, for $700 a seemingly endless supply of DS-8mm cameras can be made in addition to those already around. If Kodak or someone else offered the new Vision2 stocks (and hopefully the 50D in Vision2 someday) in 100ft rolls of DS-8mm, who could resist filming in the most economical manner? Right now the all time least expensive filming in S-8mm is to shoot Fomopan B+W DS-8mm from John Schwind. You can easily shoot an entire music video with a 3 or 4 to 1 shooting ration on one roll of film! Even with processing and shipping you will have less than $40 invested. And the footage will look incredible! If we don't shoot it, we'll lose it...

[ricardoeko]

You can always shoot with the Foma films as well, but of course only in b/w. Personaly i prefer b/w film, as a matter of fact all my films are in b/w kodak and foma super8. But for the people who films in colour i can't give any ideas.

[Actor]

Foma super 8? Are you getting it in cartridges of strictly DS8? If in cartridges, from where?

[ricardoeko]

I get the foma b/w super8 in reels of 10meters because i have a Quarz double super8 russian mechanical camera, but you can always buy the 30m reels and cut it in four and reload it in the reloadable cartdriges from svema, Mr. Olexandr Kalynychenko sells them about 10€ each. The cheapest reseller for fomapan i know is Mr. John Schwind in California.
I hope Foma will start producing colour films again.

For Ugo:
Could you sell me a machine for perforation, when your friend manufactures one?