Well, I have spoken to Kodak here in Australia a few times now and they have no plans to make available the new Vision2 negative stocks on super-8 in this country (surprise, surprise). Seeing as we can't even get Plus X here for under 28$us per cart not including processing i felt foolish even asking them...
Getting to the point, I'm wanting to shoot a short on Vision2 200T these next coming months and was hoping someone could point me in the right direction of a seller with reasonable prices who will ship to Australia (can't find anyone online). Any help is appreciated.
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A.Ulvhagen
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I did give them a call actually but the two people I spoke with weren't even aware Kodak had released new negative stocks in the format, oh well... Honestly, I think my chances of finding any in this country is slim at best. Australia has to be one of the worst countries for this kind of thing, we have over 18 million people and yet I'm more likely to find a gold nugget in my backyard than super8 film stock at a Kodak store ("don't you mean 8mm video?"). We only have one place here that develop super 8 film and they don't do negative (no surprise seeing as no one can buy it)."Suggest you try Camera Electronics,Perth, Western Aus..."
If kodak wonder why super 8 sales in this country are low, I can imagine a big reason being people either switching to 16mm or video through frustration of the lack of rescources and support available here for the format.
With the cost of importing these stocks that appear readily available in europe and the states and then having to send it away again for processing, it would almost be cheaper to shoot 16mm on the postage saved alone. I'm quickly becoming fed up with this
A.Ulvhagen
I know! It's annoying living at the bottom of the world, isn't it?
The only type of cartridge I can get locally is K40..... not suitable for the sort of low light films I want to make.
If only Kodak would release a Kodachrome 400 ASA reversal film, that could be processed locally.... I would be in super 8 heaven!!!!
Keep persisting... ](*,)
The only type of cartridge I can get locally is K40..... not suitable for the sort of low light films I want to make.
If only Kodak would release a Kodachrome 400 ASA reversal film, that could be processed locally.... I would be in super 8 heaven!!!!
Keep persisting... ](*,)
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being that im canadian and just came back a couplke of months ago, i was actually going to bring back a carton of the vision 200 stock but hummed and hawed. i was even going to get a 25% discount, found a canadian processor that was cheap, found a guy that can print it up to 16mm cheaply, etc. i didnt do it, mostly because i wanted to wait for the vision2 version and the vision2 500t. im looking to import it if i can find enough interested parties. as for plus x, i have a ton of the stuff...not sure where your getting your pricing, mind you im talking 16mm. i have a ton of it im blowing out cheap if anybody wants it. anyway, email me directly if anybody wants to chat about super8. once again, double super8 is the way to go!
double super8!
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Maybe it's time for you to become a distributor for Super 8 film down under? Maybe you could do it on a low-volume break-even basis with no real expectation of profit.+AnonymousGuest+ wrote: I did give them a call actually but the two people I spoke with weren't even aware Kodak had released new negative stocks in the format, oh well... Honestly, I think my chances of finding any in this country is slim at best. Australia has to be one of the worst countries for this kind of thing, we have over 18 million people and yet I'm more likely to find a gold nugget in my backyard than super8 film stock at a Kodak store ("don't you mean 8mm video?"). We only have one place here that develop super 8 film and they don't do negative (no surprise seeing as no one can buy it).
If kodak wonder why super 8 sales in this country are low, I can imagine a big reason being people either switching to 16mm or video through frustration of the lack of rescources and support available here for the format.
With the cost of importing these stocks that appear readily available in europe and the states and then having to send it away again for processing, it would almost be cheaper to shoot 16mm on the postage saved alone. I'm quickly becoming fed up with this
A.Ulvhagen
Contact all the major camera stores and find out how much Super 8 they're selling. Educate them about the new films, get them to agree to stock a few carts of each emulsion and ask them to proselytize their Super 8 customer base. Find a film processor willing to take on a margin business developing the film, and help him set up a mail order deal through the camera stores you sell to. That 100D E6 might be a good enticement, as developing should be straightforward. Find a telecine business to play along for the negative film. Try to build the Super 8 customer base. Advertise to buy old Super 8 cameras and projectors and offer them for sale through your camera store network. Visit all the photo swap meets armed with cameras, film, brochures. Demonstrate and educate.
In short, if you want a market for the new films, do something to help create it.
im already starting to do a lot of this. im even writing an article for the photographic trader. i cant do it through the stores because of the margins involved so it would have to go through me. im on the hunt for a processing machine...and even when i find it i need to find out if it can be turned into a neg processor. i cant do this for no profit because i have to eat. to cut down costs and to have a superior image, i suggest we all go over to double super8...now theres a sexy format! as for the 7240, its already being sold by somebody..but its gone by the end of the year
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I would if I could but the truth is I barely have enough money to purchase the stock I need for my own filming. Sometimes I need to budget for months just to buy a 10pack of K40. So the idea of importing these stocks for distribution in this country with no profit is a nice thought but with my current financial situation also completely impossible. I don't have the time nor money to be doing Kodaks job for them."Maybe it's time for you to become a distributor for Super 8 film down under? Maybe you could do it on a low-volume break-even basis with no real expectation of profit."
This is an easy one to answer. The total being a nice round figure of zero. Tasmania, where I live, has not one camera store that sell super8 stock of any variety. There used to be Camera World who discontinued sales through expense and the excellent Ash Bester who closed shop about 2yrs ago. All of my stock is ordered from the Sound and Vision Stock Shop in NSW who have some of the best prices I have found in this country. They sell K40, Ektachrome and Tri-X for about 20/22$aus a cart and they can source Plus-X (which isn't available in this country) for 41$ per cart. An absurd price really considering how much cheaper the rest of the world can get it for. Plus-X is one of the best and common super-8 stocks available, the fact you can't buy it in a country as large as Australia when there are places to develop it (for how long) is an outrage. Talking to Kodak on the subject is much like beating ones head on a hard brick wall. They simply don't care. Kodak are a business not a film geek club and I guess if they see an idea as not grand enough to rake in the dough it's of no interest, suffering artists or not."Contact all the major camera stores and find out how much Super 8 they're selling."
And Francis, the last lot of Plus-X I actually bought was from Canada. You just can't get it in Australia and the very few shops who do stock it charge more than what it can be bought from overseas, postage included.
The one shop that develop super 8 film in Australia FilmPlus used to develop the 200T Negative but not for a long time. They discontinued the service because they weren't getting enough business, which is not difficult to understand when Kodak don't actually import the stock. So any one that did/does use it would have to order from the States or somewhere which is far too much hassle for your average super8 user who just wants to be able to walk into a camera store and buy it off the shelf. And this is my point, if Kodak made these emulsions readily available, people WOULD buy them and there WOULD be places locally that could develop it.
One of my friends visiting from England commented on Australia as "The land that time forgot" which makes sense reflecting on the current state of small gauge film making in this country. The rest of the world seem to be having an exciting mini super-8 renaissance with all these new available stocks. Two new negative and two new black and white emulsions, while here in Australia we have k40, tri-X and soon to be no more Ektachrome. We seem to be stuck in the Dark Ages of super8 in this country.
Does your average 16mm shooter need to "...Contact all the major camera stores and find out how much... they're selling. Educate them about the new films, get them to agree to stock a few carts of each emulsion and ask them to proselytize their Super 8 customer base. Find a film processor willing to take on a margin business developing the film, and help him set up a mail order deal through the camera stores you sell to... Find a telecine business to play along for the negative film. Try to build the... customer base. Advertise to buy old... cameras and projectors and offer them for sale through your camera store network. Visit all the photo swap meets armed with cameras, film, brochures. Demonstrate and educate..."In short, if you want a market for the new films, do something to help create it.
And why should I need to do more than just shoot the stuff? I'm a filmmaker not a marketing guru. If they had it available I would shoot it, I've let Kodak know they have a market for it, what else as a filmmaker should be expected of me? I understand your point but living in land with no filmschool, no photo swap meets, no interest from larger camera stores, it's an uphill battle. Kodak supporting super-8? don't make me laugh.
I've whinged enough for one day. Thanks to those who bother to read this stuff
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Hi +AnonymousGuest+,
like I wrote you in a PM (but didn´t get a reply) I informed you that we get the new Vision2 200 you´re interested in and the Vision2 500 next Tuesday, June 1st from Kodak. The new Plus-X and Tri-X are already available.
Maybe I can help you out in getting the stuff you need in Australia for a reasonable price.
MovieMaker
like I wrote you in a PM (but didn´t get a reply) I informed you that we get the new Vision2 200 you´re interested in and the Vision2 500 next Tuesday, June 1st from Kodak. The new Plus-X and Tri-X are already available.
Maybe I can help you out in getting the stuff you need in Australia for a reasonable price.
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ok lets not get out underwear in a knot! first, kodachrome from kodak is 18 bucks a box, and the others are about 17.50. as for neg, i should be able to get it here at a reasonable price and if i can find kodak supermatic processor ill start processing the stuff too. this is why ds8 is a much much better and easier option. we get a batch and the stuff gets processed anywhere
double super8!
Yep, I'm in the same S8 boat. Here, we can get K40, from 2 or 3 camera stores. But I had to order in a roll of TriX from Perth- that's $31 plus postage, and not including processing!!!!!
We don't really have a film school here, either. And our Media Resource Centre is pushing digital video, really heavily. If you prefer film in Adelaide, you're a freak.
But that's not gonna stop me!!! :twisted:
It's film or it's NOTHING!
We don't really have a film school here, either. And our Media Resource Centre is pushing digital video, really heavily. If you prefer film in Adelaide, you're a freak.
But that's not gonna stop me!!! :twisted:
It's film or it's NOTHING!
That's great about being able to buy Vision2 but how are we meant to get it processed...MovieMaker wrote:Hi +AnonymousGuest+,
like I wrote you in a PM (but didn´t get a reply) I informed you that we get the new Vision2 200 you´re interested in and the Vision2 500 next Tuesday, June 1st from Kodak. The new Plus-X and Tri-X are already available.
Maybe I can help you out in getting the stuff you need in Australia for a reasonable price.
MovieMaker
It would probably be cheaper shooting 16mm negative stock in Australia......
How come company's in Australia who process 16mm neg won't do Super 8?
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+AnonymousGuest+, I don't mean to give offense, but I can see that you complain eloquently.
Why do you think that creating a market for the neg films, or any particular film you want, in Australia is Kodak's obligation? They'll sell wherever there is sufficient demand, but they don't go out of their way to market Super 8 _anywhere_. You're right, they don't care enough about Super 8 to actively try to expand existing markets or create new ones. So all I'm saying is, if you want the product, try to help create the market. And if you create sufficient demand, someone will cater to it.
Any camera stores that import Kodak film down there is getting it from a distributor or direct from Kodak. Kodak doesn't manufacture film in Australia, do they? It's being imported from somewhere. They should be able to order it, and might be willing to if you ask them. Then you just need a processor. If someone down there is already processing ECN2 for 16mm, I'd keep pestering them to try to get them to add Super 8 to their line.
I was just trying to give you some ideas, based on what I think I might do if I was in you situation.
Why do you think that creating a market for the neg films, or any particular film you want, in Australia is Kodak's obligation? They'll sell wherever there is sufficient demand, but they don't go out of their way to market Super 8 _anywhere_. You're right, they don't care enough about Super 8 to actively try to expand existing markets or create new ones. So all I'm saying is, if you want the product, try to help create the market. And if you create sufficient demand, someone will cater to it.
Any camera stores that import Kodak film down there is getting it from a distributor or direct from Kodak. Kodak doesn't manufacture film in Australia, do they? It's being imported from somewhere. They should be able to order it, and might be willing to if you ask them. Then you just need a processor. If someone down there is already processing ECN2 for 16mm, I'd keep pestering them to try to get them to add Super 8 to their line.
I was just trying to give you some ideas, based on what I think I might do if I was in you situation.