i got a Bauer S715 today. I discovered that it vignets when putting the distance scale under 2.5 meters and from 6 to 25mm on the focus scale. Does this show on film as well?? I read something before about vignetting with this lens. Is this normal??
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vignetting in Bauer S715/angenieux 6-90mm
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This is a common problem with the long Angienux and Schneider zooms used with the Bauers and Beaulieus.
Nothing wrong with your cam.
It is visible when the film is projected.
A friend of mine has 2 x 715s from back in the +80´s and has always complained about this problem.
Did a direct shoot-out test with my Canon 1014 XL-S and my Beaulieu 5008 MS with a Schneider 6-70 in low light and the vignetting problem was very severe on the Schneider and none on the Canon (Factory spec)
B5008 MS / Schneider 6-70mm
Canon1014 XLS
Slight vignetting added from the transfer equipment.
Vignetting reference from the transfer equipment - not camera related.
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Nothing wrong with your cam.
It is visible when the film is projected.
A friend of mine has 2 x 715s from back in the +80´s and has always complained about this problem.
Did a direct shoot-out test with my Canon 1014 XL-S and my Beaulieu 5008 MS with a Schneider 6-70 in low light and the vignetting problem was very severe on the Schneider and none on the Canon (Factory spec)
B5008 MS / Schneider 6-70mm
Canon1014 XLS
Slight vignetting added from the transfer equipment.
Vignetting reference from the transfer equipment - not camera related.
R
..tnx for reminding me Michael Lehnert.... or Santo or.... cinematography.com super8 - the forum of Rednex, Wannabees and Pretenders...
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Hi Mike,
On my trip to Morocco I shot 23 k40 rolls with the royal 10e, in all focal lengths and they all came out great, with only some deficiencies (maybe 5%) due to bad exposure (tricky desert) and bad focussing due to a lose eye correction piece in the first few shots (I taped that one afterwards)..no vignetting at all. I shot also a test role with the s715 with an expired film with large diafragma and wide angle ..I will post the results when I get it back.
Paul
On my trip to Morocco I shot 23 k40 rolls with the royal 10e, in all focal lengths and they all came out great, with only some deficiencies (maybe 5%) due to bad exposure (tricky desert) and bad focussing due to a lose eye correction piece in the first few shots (I taped that one afterwards)..no vignetting at all. I shot also a test role with the s715 with an expired film with large diafragma and wide angle ..I will post the results when I get it back.
Paul
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Well, I hadn't really noticed the vignetting problem on the S715. I had a look today and, unless focus is set to its minimum value, there is no such problem. BTW, don't look for a sharper lens, this one beats 'em all 
Well, actually, the lens that's on the S709 is pretty close if not as good as the Angenieux... without vignetting!
Well, actually, the lens that's on the S709 is pretty close if not as good as the Angenieux... without vignetting!
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Lens "sharpness" and contrast range are usually contradictive values.
Vignetting is a different issue.
The 1014 XL-S lens is described by Canon as "Extremely sharp even wide open, nessecary for a cam with XL shutter option" according to the maintenance manual and completely free of vignetting.
If you go up close to the screen watcing the images from an 1014 XL-S you will see that the images are extremely sharp but with an extended contrast range compared to the others producing much better images. Images are close to or grain free too and when the film is projected it produces a tremendous 3D "vision" like I have never seen from any other cams.
Neither the Schnei or the Angenieux would likely pass the Canon QC. Heard of "Full Circle Engineering" and "Total Quality Control"? Well, they invented that long before heard of in Europe.
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Vignetting is a different issue.
The 1014 XL-S lens is described by Canon as "Extremely sharp even wide open, nessecary for a cam with XL shutter option" according to the maintenance manual and completely free of vignetting.
If you go up close to the screen watcing the images from an 1014 XL-S you will see that the images are extremely sharp but with an extended contrast range compared to the others producing much better images. Images are close to or grain free too and when the film is projected it produces a tremendous 3D "vision" like I have never seen from any other cams.
Neither the Schnei or the Angenieux would likely pass the Canon QC. Heard of "Full Circle Engineering" and "Total Quality Control"? Well, they invented that long before heard of in Europe.
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..tnx for reminding me Michael Lehnert.... or Santo or.... cinematography.com super8 - the forum of Rednex, Wannabees and Pretenders...
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Well, I'm sorry to disagree but I've edited pictures shot with a Canon 1040 XL some time ago. They had been transfered in Paris with pro telecine equipment and the result was... well... less sharp and more grainy than the Bauer S709 or 715 stuff. And I don't even talk about the color balance! But that's another problem with less "post" consequences.
Well, I'm sorry to disagree but I've edited pictures shot with a Canon 1040 XL some time ago. They had been transfered in Paris with pro telecine equipment and the result was... well... less sharp and more grainy than the Bauer S709 or 715 stuff. And I don't even talk about the color balance! But that's another problem with less "post" consequences.
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I completly disagree with the relationship of film grain and cam or lens brand! On thing has nothing to do with the other! Film grain is the pysical/chemical structure of the light sensive layer of the film and depends mostly on the film emulsion itself and on developing quality. When exposuring the film a little bit shorter, in order to get higher saturized colors, it may appear more, too.
About the vignetting problem, I had the same with a Schneider 6-70 lens at 70 mm setting with open stop. I had been very surprized when I recognized that it nearly completly dissappeard after having adjusted the focal length accuratly to the cam.
With the Angenieux 6-80 lens, there is not any lens fault visible, even at open stop (1:1,2). No vignetting at no zoom, stop or focus setting, crisp sharp and super contrasty even at lowlight and open stop. For my understanding, this is a real proffessional lens, but it must be correctly adjusted to the camera body. It is not enough to spent the money for such a lens, srew it in front of the cam and shoot. But when adjusted, the cam-lens system offers the very best technical conditions for the very best possible results: lens with iris in the optical centre, filter in front of it, projecting DIRECTLY onto the film surface, without any beam splitter prism for the viewfinder inbetween. Therefore Beaulieu don´t need any XL technology. The flickering reflex viewfinder doesn´t cut any light from the exposure and lefts more light to the film than any wider XL angle wit trembling 1/29 sec exposuring times could do.
Pedro
About the vignetting problem, I had the same with a Schneider 6-70 lens at 70 mm setting with open stop. I had been very surprized when I recognized that it nearly completly dissappeard after having adjusted the focal length accuratly to the cam.
With the Angenieux 6-80 lens, there is not any lens fault visible, even at open stop (1:1,2). No vignetting at no zoom, stop or focus setting, crisp sharp and super contrasty even at lowlight and open stop. For my understanding, this is a real proffessional lens, but it must be correctly adjusted to the camera body. It is not enough to spent the money for such a lens, srew it in front of the cam and shoot. But when adjusted, the cam-lens system offers the very best technical conditions for the very best possible results: lens with iris in the optical centre, filter in front of it, projecting DIRECTLY onto the film surface, without any beam splitter prism for the viewfinder inbetween. Therefore Beaulieu don´t need any XL technology. The flickering reflex viewfinder doesn´t cut any light from the exposure and lefts more light to the film than any wider XL angle wit trembling 1/29 sec exposuring times could do.
Pedro
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Angeniuex 6-90 lens
I've shot 25 cartidges or so of K40, Tri-X & PLus-X with the Beaulieu 6008s digital w/ Ang 6-90 and have not noticed any vignetting - except when transfering to DV camera with a mirror/transfer box. Then the edges of the frame where slightly dark.
This lens is very sharp and easy to focus, and has great range, although I'm a little spoiled by my Canon GL1 DV camera's 20X zoom.
I believe this lens came on the camera when It was sold. I bought it from origina owner in Germany ebay. It was checked out by Irv Higdon and I have not had any other probs with it.
It has the rechargeable battery/handle good for for 7 to eight rolls in one afternoon at Malibu beaches without running out of juice. Am going to use Nizo remote on/off switch next time - attatched to the handle of ogen tripod so I can point and shoot surfers - so the zoom range is crucial to getting the shot.
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This lens is very sharp and easy to focus, and has great range, although I'm a little spoiled by my Canon GL1 DV camera's 20X zoom.
I believe this lens came on the camera when It was sold. I bought it from origina owner in Germany ebay. It was checked out by Irv Higdon and I have not had any other probs with it.
It has the rechargeable battery/handle good for for 7 to eight rolls in one afternoon at Malibu beaches without running out of juice. Am going to use Nizo remote on/off switch next time - attatched to the handle of ogen tripod so I can point and shoot surfers - so the zoom range is crucial to getting the shot.
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I truly adore that Angénieux 6/90... I have it on my Bauer S715XL. I made some shots in a canyon lately. From where I was I could do relatively close shots on some canoes down the river! And they were like 200 or 300 meters away from me... Simply Amazing. And the 6mm is just wide enough... not too much... but enough to see a big difference with some super8 cameras' 7mm.
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Why does nobody ever mention the Leicina Special when talking about the best image quality. It is the best I've ever seen. I don't own one, but it has the most beautiful lens I've ever seen on a Super8 camera. Don't mix it up with the Super though, it's the special I'm talking about. They go for about £700 with the leica zoom lens, which is C mount, removeable, and may pass as well as the schnei, Canon or Ang in my opinion. Does anyone out there own one? What results do you get?
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