Ektachrome soon to be no more...

Post by **Lucas Lightfeat** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:29 pm

Goodbye Ektachrome! It's been a bore and a chore at times, but farewell.

I want Kodak to release a PROCESS PAID VISION2 100T or 200T NEGATIVE at a reasonable price. I think it would rival Kodachrome for sales, and take advantage of all the many filmmakers who like to go to video from film. Perhaps I will propose this to them. Any backers?

Lucas

Post by **jessh** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:42 pm

Lucas Lightfeat wrote:I want Kodak to release a PROCESS PAID VISION2 100T or 200T NEGATIVE at a reasonable price. I think it would rival Kodachrome for sales, and take advantage of all the many filmmakers who like to go to video from film. Perhaps I will propose this to them. Any backers?

If it included telecine it would be a big hit, otherwide Ektachrome 100D would be a better choice (but still not good for most indoor stuff).

~Jess

Post by **woods01** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:32 am

Ballsy statements on this very pro K40 board, Nigel! I agree with you, it
is time for a modern, affordable & accessable stock in S8. The only problem with getting rid of K40 is that it would be the end of the only stock on the market that most Super 8 cameras can work reliably with on auto exposure. A handy feature for those interested in documentary stuff.

Post by **Godzilla** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:46 am

Switching the current Ektachrome stock to 100D sucks. The only thing I like about the current stock is that it's just fast enough to shoot indoors under lights. Color corrected under tungsten, it would be slower than K-40.

I don't see the point. There should be one reversal stock for daylight and one for Tungsten. K-40 was meant for daylight even though it's tungsten balanced. The only reason it's tungsten balanced is because of the standardized camera features from 30 years ago with the daylight/lightbulb switch for the in-camera 85 filter. The average consumer didn't know why that feature works the way it does.

I think switching to 100D Ektachome is a sign that K-40 is on the way out sooner rather than later.

Post by **T-Scan** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:43 am

You won't be seeing 100D in Super 8. its too saturated. everyone i've asked at Kodak about 100D coming to S-8 says a firm NO. go to the Kodak email link thread and send your concers straight to them. i got a reply today that they are working on several new films, so keep plugging for a low grain 200 speed reversal

Post by **Angus** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:45 pm

I have considered using the negative stocks, but as somebody who is defintely an amateur who prefers to project film rather than finish on videeo they have limited appeal to me.

I love K40, it is an excellent stock for use in daylight outdoors and is relatively cost effective. I'd welcome the addition of an equally cost effective high speed colour reversal stock such as a 200ASA Ektachrome - the 125ASA 7240 is OK but doesn't hack it in truly low light conditions...better than nothing though!

The day process paid colour reversal stock dies...amateur cine film dies...even though some of us will continue as long as *something* is available to feed our cameras the concept would be dead if K40 were killed off and not replaced with another process-paid stock.

Post by **Taqi** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:11 am

I agree with Angus. If K40 goes, without a proper replacement reversal stock, super 8 is dead. The camera market is gone, the support market is gone, any manufacturing supporting hardware is gone. Kodak needs to look out - I suggest every single person using super 8 on a regular basis (and I suspect the majority look at this board) say to Kodak "IF YOU WANT TO KILL SUPER 8 THEN STOP MANUFACTURING COLOUR REVERSAL FILM".
It's as simple as that. Negative will die with reversal.

Post by **Carlos 8mm** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:32 am

T-Scan wrote:You won't be seeing 100D in Super 8. its too saturated. everyone i've asked at Kodak about 100D coming to S-8 says a firm NO. go to the Kodak email link thread and send your concers straight to them. i got a reply today that they are working on several new films, so keep plugging for a low grain 200 speed reversal

I hope these new stocks that Kodak are working on will be maked from the New Ekt E-series. Very low grain film stoks and E-6 processing! $\:D/$

And yes, Ekt 100D MP reversal film is very saturated, but sharper and more grainy than K-40.

If that is Kodak's policy for new reversal stocks I'm gonna applaud them

Carlos

Post by **kentbulza** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:38 am

Carlos 8mm wrote:I hope these new stocks that Kodak are working on will be maked from the New Ekt E-series. Very low grain film stoks and E-6 processing!

I hope so too. But I don't think it would be all bad to have the VS (high saturation) stock included in Super 8. I understand it's not to everyone's tastes, but the 100G and 100VS would be nice.

But the big problem is that these are not tungsten-balanced which takes extra time for beginners to understand since Super 8 cameras assume tungsten-balancing. Perhaps there will be a E series replacement for EPY and EPT and they can base the stocks off of that new film.

Post by **Angus** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:08 pm

Super 8 cameras can handle daylight balanced films, there is a notch on the cartridge which tells the camera whether to use the filter or not...the only problem with a daylight balanced high speed reversal stock would be filming indoors under lamps- something people might like to do with such a film!

I'd have nothing against Kodak introducing new films into the line...I'd be very worried if they axed K40 and did not replace it with a process-paid colour reversal film of broadly similar properties.

But as far as I can tell there's not actually any evidence that K40 will be axed - I suspect it actually makes a pretty healthy profit for Kodak.

Post by **matt5791** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:48 pm

Godzilla wrote:Switching the current Ektachrome stock to 100D sucks. The only thing I like about the current stock is that it's just fast enough to shoot indoors under lights. Color corrected under tungsten, it would be slower than K-40.

If you are shooting under controlled conditions why not use HMI's or colour correct the tungstens with a daylight stock?

If you are not shooting under controlled conditions then the Ektachrome will be no good anyway as it is still far too slow for normal indoor lighting.

It is because of the move towards HMI lighting that more and more daylight balanced motion picture stocks have started to appear (eg fuji Reala 500D)

Matt

Post by **T-Scan** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:52 pm

It would be nice to just hang onto what we have, and have new films carted as featured products.. kind of like the McRib.

Post by **synthnut** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:30 pm

Seems a touch ironic that The Wideccreen Centre introduce 7240 VNF with the statement "This is a NEW Super 8 film from Kodak. "

Just keep on shooting whatever "reel stuff" you can get your mits on.....

Ben

Post by **T-Scan** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:33 pm

Even the Kodak sight lists it as "this new stock" i had 20 carts show up today. and i'm glad because after watching some telecine VNF last night, i noticed a slight supurior sharpness than the K-40. shot overcast with 85B filter.

Post by **Godzilla** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 7:34 am

Godzilla wrote:Switching the current Ektachrome stock to 100D sucks. The only thing I like about the current stock is that it's just fast enough to shoot indoors under lights. Color corrected under tungsten, it would be slower than K-40.

matt5791 wrote:
If you are shooting under controlled conditions why not use HMI's or colour correct the tungstens with a daylight stock?

Color correcting tungsten lights to daylight with a gel cuts just as much light as correcting with a filter on your camera. I don't have my swatchbook in front of me right now, but a full blue filter cuts something like 2 2/3 stops. K-40 would still be faster weather you gel your light or your lens.

Obviously I don't have HMI's.