Film to Digital and Back to make Super 8mm Prints

[kentbulza]

Jia,
I bought an Agfa PCR 35mm (still) film recorder with the intention of mounting a movie camera

Isn't the problem really the frame size? How can you adjust the frame from imaging 36mmx24mm to imaging 4 perf cine? And probably the quality would be a little poor. I think that is a 2K recorder (2K horizontal on a 36mmx24mm frame, so half that for cine). So 1K? I think you'll see pixelation.

[paulcotto]

You could get a B&H Eyemo and shoot 35mm Velvia. I have some loaded in my Eyemo right now just waiting for the right subject to shoot. I have a 24mm Tamron mounted via a M42 mount converter. I would need to talk the base projectionist into letting me use the projector though I also have a Nikon mount Iscorama 1.5 anamorphic lens which I would love to mount if I could find an adapter for my Eyemo.

Regards,
Paul Cotto

I hardly know anything about optics, but I don't think you'd get the same results as the finest lasers (8K) drawing each color one at a time. You're essentially creating an optical transfer, and we already know those are inferior to contact transfers. The laser avoids that 2nd generation resolution loss and part of the whole justification for digital intermediates.

And like I said above, no apologist for digital work -- what I really want is that 5 minutes of 65mm Velvia original running through a projector.....then I can die.

[kentbulza]

You could get a B&H Eyemo and shoot 35mm Velvia. I have some loaded in my Eyemo right now just waiting for the right subject to shoot.

Oooo. I'm sooo jealous! I had been thinking about it. It only comes in 400 foot loads though, right? Fuji dropped off a Velvia cine brochure at my office last week. I told them they HAVE to get that stock out in 1-perf 16mm. I'd shoot that all the time if they had it. And then give us Astia for more neutral color and finer grain.

But what do you like for a tungsten-balanced reversal stock? I end up with Fuji 64T, but I still think it's grainy. I wonder why there isn't at least one super-fine grain tungsten stock reveral stock out there. I guess that's Kodachrome 40, huh? But other than that??? I looked at all the new Kodak reversal stocks when they came out last year, but I didn't see any tungsten-balanced ones.

[paulcotto]

I get B&H perfed still camera film in 100' rolls and re spool it onto 100' daylight spools. I also have 400' & 1000' mags for my eyemo so I am not limited in any way. B&H perfed film runs just fine in the eyemo because it does not have a registration pin, only the pull down claw. I really only shoot daylight film right now since I just do it for fun.

Regards,
Paul Cotto

You could get a B&H Eyemo and shoot 35mm Velvia. I have some loaded in my Eyemo right now just waiting for the right subject to shoot.

Oooo. I'm sooo jealous! I had been thinking about it. It only comes in 400 foot loads though, right? Fuji dropped off a Velvia cine brochure at my office last week. I told them they HAVE to get that stock out in 1-perf 16mm. I'd shoot that all the time if they had it. And then give us Astia for more neutral color and finer grain.

But what do you like for a tungsten-balanced reversal stock? I end up with Fuji 64T, but I still think it's grainy. I wonder why there isn't at least one super-fine grain tungsten stock reveral stock out there. I guess that's Kodachrome 40, huh? But other than that??? I looked at all the new Kodak reversal stocks when they came out last year, but I didn't see any tungsten-balanced ones.

[kentbulza]

I get B&H perfed still camera film in 100' rolls

1000', right?

But back to the tungsten, alright, you don't shoot it. But I'm going to want something tungsten balanced in DS8 once the perforator is up. What did you intend to offer?

[paulcotto]

I get 100 foot rolls of still camera film from the so called cold stored expired specials. Like this>

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/sc_prod.p ... d=&pid=834

I have never had a problem with properly storded expired film. As for your second question I will offer any type of film you want made into DS8. You will have to buy the film and send it to me for any custom order.

Regards,
Paul Cotto

I get B&H perfed still camera film in 100' rolls

1000', right?

But back to the tungsten, alright, you don't shoot it. But I'm going to want something tungsten balanced in DS8 once the perforator is up. What did you intend to offer?

[FILM-THURSO]

Hmm, now to me I'd say that because the grain from one film to another never being in exactly the same positition on a frame for frame basis, it makes no decernable difference whether it is contact, optical or laser reprinted and the bottom line for the average viewer who is there to be entertained, not educated on the technologies of motion picture making, is that unless you make a totally bum job of it, no-one is going to notice except us film makers!
Go to the cinema and watch the commercials which today are mastered from a variety of media sources, some more dodgy than others but the audience doesn't complain, what we term 'plausable viewing acceptability'.
If you are really picky and see the first screening of the day you might also notice the heat variations within the lamp-housing become visible on the screen anywhere where there is white.

[synthnut]

Hia,
Sorry to jump back again! The Agfa PCR is a 4000 line resolution CRT based film recorder. The camera fitted as standard is a 35mm still unit, buit this is simply un-docked and an other camera can bu used in its place. The main issue is that the shutter needs to be held open for the duration of the three colour sep. scans. I have several that will do this such as a Nizo 561 etc. The PCR provides a control signal that holds the shutter open, so it should be quite easy to use this to control the Nizo. So in theory at least it should pe possible to get 4k digital to film transfers (all be itr VERY SLOOOOOWLY) , but until I find the softaware (this RasterPlus thing) then its just a dream....

Keep on shooting the "reel" stuff"

Ben

[paulcotto]

I am sure the Amiga software company ASDG made a program called Art Department Professional that could control these film recorders. You could pick it up and an old amiga for like $35.00 ~ $50.00 on eBay. You might even me able to run an emulation on your PC that would be faster then a real Amiga at this point.

Just a thought,
Paul Cotto

Hia,
Sorry to jump back again! The Agfa PCR is a 4000 line resolution CRT based film recorder. The camera fitted as standard is a 35mm still unit, buit this is simply un-docked and an other camera can bu used in its place. The main issue is that the shutter needs to be held open for the duration of the three colour sep. scans. I have several that will do this such as a Nizo 561 etc. The PCR provides a control signal that holds the shutter open, so it should be quite easy to use this to control the Nizo. So in theory at least it should pe possible to get 4k digital to film transfers (all be itr VERY SLOOOOOWLY) , but until I find the softaware (this RasterPlus thing) then its just a dream....

Keep on shooting the "reel" stuff"

Ben

[synthnut]

Hia,
Cheers Paul for the pointer on that one. I'll look into Amiga thing. I have a mate who was always well into those things and see if we can find a copy of that. Seems silly to bin the project otherwise as I have the hardware sitting there!

Cheers,

Ben

[Konton]

So what camera can you keep the shutter open the entire time for each color? I take it the film recorder sends a signal to the camera to go to the next frame, but then does the shutter remain open all the time? I'd like try try and get this going. I figure 2k resolution is good enough for me. Let me know.

J_

[kentbulza]

how do you adjust this? Just only send it images in the correct aspect ratio or something...black out the sides a bit? I got you now on the camera..sure, if it has a swapable back, i guess anythign will do. What is the draw time for each image on your recorder?

[atomo47]

Does anyone know where can i find an Eyemo -m42 adapter? i have a nice eyemo camera but no good lenses