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Medium speed Kodachrome

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I pesume there is some technical reason why the Kodachrome 200 which is offered in 35mm is not also offered in Super 8 format? A medium speed process paid Kodachrome Super 8 stock would a joyous thing. Perhaps someone can enlighten me?
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SteveH wrote:I pesume there is some technical reason why the Kodachrome 200 which is offered in 35mm is not also offered in Super 8 format? A medium speed process paid Kodachrome Super 8 stock would a joyous thing. Perhaps someone can enlighten me?
There is no technical reason. Kodak simply has chosen not to offer K200 in super8 (for whatever reason I know not) and that's that.
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Also, it would probably be too grainy for super 8.
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I can only imagine how grainy. Ektachrome on super 8 is already massively grainy and it's 1/4 that speed.
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Kodachrome 200 in 35mm is grainy, but it's a nice grain, adds texture to the pictures, particularly in nature shots...but in super 8, it would be much too annoying...a Kodachrome 100 would be much better, imo. Mike
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K200 is a daylight stock, Kodak decided way back in 1966 that colour super 8 stocks would all be tungsten balanced.

That is the only reason they never offered K64 or K200 or K25 in super 8.

I'd love to see K64 or K200 in super 8, grain or no.
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yeah, a 200 asa daylight stock would be just great to have in super 8 (unless you're in texas of course :-)). can it be processed the same way as the 40 and 25 asa stocks, i.e. can we buy a 100' roll and have pro8 cut it to super 8 and then send it for processing to dwayne's or kodak?

and how does the grain compare to the provias' for example? i've shot plenty of provia slides but never kodachrome 200.

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mattias wrote:and how does the grain compare to the provias' for example? i've shot plenty of provia slides but never kodachrome 200.

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Just received some K200 slides back - only problem is that I am trying to locate a slide projector - just missed one this morning on ebay.

Holding them to the light they look superb - but I will wait for the projector for final judgement.

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cool, perhaps you could scan a super 8 sized section of a slide and post here?

one more thing, is k200 available in 100' loads at all? i haven't been able to find any on ebay or elsewhere on the net.

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I wouldn't think there would be much of a difference between a K40 and a K64 super 8 film...unless the K64 super 8 film were daylight balanced, then you might be able to shoot at lower aperatures outside, and perhaps get a different look. I think they made K40 a tungsten film so that no filter would be required indoors where the light isn't as good. K200 as a super 8 film would be similar to the old Ektachrome 160G as far as grain goes...very pronounced. In slides, I think it looks good. But in Super 8...yech! (the "swarm of bees" effect). I think if Kodak is eventually going to kill off Kodachrome, they would be wise to make a super 8 version of their E100G slide film...I just got a 35mm roll, it's supposed to be lower grain than Kodachrome, and accurate, if not slightly enhanced, colors. Of course, Kodachrome still has the edge over E6 films in terms of sharpness, and archival storage.
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K-200 in 100ft. loads

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Hey Mattias: unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that Kodak doesn't sell any bulk lengths of Kodachrome in 35mm. From what I can gather, this has been the case for a long time. Kodak wants Kodachrome dead, even though it has a song and a park and a million (big exageration ,yes) devoted S8 fans and slide shooters hooked on it. There used to be 8x10 Kodachrome, but Kodak axed that all the way back in the 1940s. There aren't even 120 Kodachrome processing runs anymore, even though they didn't axe that format's Kodachrome that long ago. They just want it dead. Unless you maybe order up a 2 miles of film, I don't think Kodak will consider bulk rolls of 35mm K200.

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A few more things: I've shot about 5 rolls of Kodachrome 200 35mm...it has a more warm, enhanced palatte than K64...the colors and their saturation level remind me of the old Kodachromes you see from the 1950's and 1960's...I took some indoor floral shots with a filter to adjust to the tungsten lighting...the reds fairly leap out at you, yellows are great, all colors were gorgeous, and images were sharp. Kodak tried to kill off the pro version of this film a few years ago, but the pros wouldn't let them...it's the only slide film that you can shoot in large places with flourescent lights that turns out great without filters.
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I have shot K200 in 35mm and will offer my opinion of it. The colors are gorgeous, yet the film is very grainy, disproportionally so considering the speed. This is probably due to the old emulsion technology. The Kodachrome line isn't exactly state of the art. The grain is probably comparable to a 400 or even 800 speed pro film (i.e. Portra). I don't think this would hold up in S8 therefore. K64 might, but not 200 unless you're really looking for a cannon balls of grain flashing before your eyes on the projector screen :wink:

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matt5791 wrote:
mattias wrote:and how does the grain compare to the provias' for example? i've shot plenty of provia slides but never kodachrome 200.

/matt
Just received some K200 slides back - only problem is that I am trying to locate a slide projector - just missed one this morning on ebay.

Holding them to the light they look superb - but I will wait for the projector for final judgement.

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Do you have a particular lightbox and loupe you can recommend? I use one of those portable slide viewers, and a projector now. Also, what size of loupe?
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