New Vision2 Stock Demo

Post by **Henderson** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:38 am

We used this stuff last year for a university project and we actually had to "create" shadows because the latitude is so wide. Looks good though.
Henderson

Post by **marc** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:09 am

Henderson wrote:We used this stuff last year for a university project and we actually had to "create" shadows because the latitude is so wide. Looks good though.
Henderson

So then it is Idiot proof. That is just perfect for someone like me!

Post by **FilmIs4Ever** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:21 pm

Wow, if only they had stuff like Vision [2] 500T in the '70s and early '80s, I'm sure the demise of S8 wouldn't have happened. Oh well, great news nonetheless. Did Kodak ever offer negative film before Vision, back when Super 8 had a small group of professional users for television, or were they only using reversal?

Regards

Post by **Nigel** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:47 pm

I don't know what Kodak-EU is doing regarding the 500T....So I won't comment on it. However, has anyone actually purchased it?? Held it in their hand?? Run it through their camera and went on to view it??

As for Kodak-NA. I think that it is great that they choose the 200T over the 500T. I think that it will end up being a better choice for the user. The extra speed of the 500 may be nice but the costs in grain may just be to high--That is why I would like to know what you Euros think?? Where are the shooters of the stock with some good images that they can post??

Good Luck

Post by **christoph** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:10 pm

Nigel wrote:As for Kodak-NA. I think that it is great that they choose the 200T over the 500T. I think that it will end up being a better choice for the user. The extra speed of the 500 may be nice but the costs in grain may just be to high--That is why I would like to know what you Euros think??

i've shot vision2 500T on 16mm and i can tell you it looks nearly as fine grained as the old vision 200T stock... i actually like the colors even better, since the 200T was always to saturated for my taste.

so i guess i'd have to ask back, was the old vision200T a good stock for you or not? ;)

i for one would choose the V2 500T over the V1 200T any day specially because i like to rate negative stocks about 1/2 stop slower than their suggested ratings.

++ christoph ++

Post by **Nigel** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:00 pm

I am not saying that the 18 isn't fine grained--it is. I have shot it since it first came out and I thought it was an amazing advance. It blows all other 500s out of the water when it comes to grain(Except perhaps the 29)--It does have the grain of previous 200s.

74 has been Kodak's go to stock in a lot of ways. Now that there is the 17 I think it will really take a bite out of 74's sales. I have had great results with 74 over the last few years and think the world of it. But time moves on and things change.

What I am saying is that the 17 would be better in realtion to grain than the 18 in all stocks not only Super8. Kodak-NA is claiming that they will keep the 74 in S8 and run the 17 side by side with it for a time--which seems strange to me.

Overall, I think that it makes sense to put out the 17 in Super8. After some thought it seems that there would be more uses for the 200 over the 500.

Good Luck

Post by **christoph** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:18 pm

just for those that are not familiar with the film stock numbers:

xx74 = old Vision 200T
xx17 = Vision2 200T
xx18 = Vision2 500T
xx29 = Vision2 500T Expression

check kodak for the full list and specs

++ christoph ++

Post by **S8 Booster** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:19 pm

Nigel wrote:....... The extra speed of the 500 may be nice but the costs in grain may just be to high--That is why I would like to know what you Euros think?? Where are the shooters of the stock with some good images that they can post??

Good Luck

Can not help a lot but I can give you my impression from my evaluation of the former 200T/250D/500T versions for S8.

If Kodak can come up with a grain stucture similar to or better than the previous 250D it will be very good.

The 250D was noticably better than the old V200T in the grain structure.

These samples were never intended as reference matrial but it should be able to see that the grain isnÃ‚Â´t bad at all in sufficient light.
However they originate from a 1G PAL DV tape which does not excactly improve matters.

Click image to see a full size 250D sample.

Also Andreas shot some of the new V2/500T some time ago:
http://www.8mm.filmshooting.com/scripts/gallery/album07

R

Post by **marc** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:44 am

How is the Expression different for the other stocks?

Post by **Nigel** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:51 am

It is lower contrast and has different color saturation.

Good Luck

Post by **christoph** » Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:19 pm

S8 Booster wrote:The 250D was noticably better than the old V200T in the grain structure.

in my experiences in 16mm they pretty much have the same grain patterns... the 200T has highr color saturations though. as always, your opinion might vary.

++ christoph ++

Post by **S8 Booster** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:47 am

christoph wrote:
S8 Booster wrote:The 250D was noticably better than the old V200T in the grain structure.
in my experiences in 16mm they pretty much have the same grain patterns... the 200T has highr color saturations though. as always, your opinion might vary.

++ christoph ++

Of course differences are relative and I am sure your observation is right.

Even the same film processed in different labs may look different I guess (allthough it shouldeÃ‚Â´t?).

Even so my impression of the 250D vs the V200T (this is related to my films only but as such i am pretty confident it is correct) is that even if the grain size may be identical or so the 250 grain is more homogeous - like a smooth river flowing in "one direction" while the 200T is more "sparkling" causing more "unrest" images.

In low-lower light they both tended to get veeerrryyyy grainy.

Agree on the colour saturation.

R

Post by **mattias** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 2:21 pm

S8 Booster wrote:the 250 grain is more homogeous - like a smooth river flowing in "one direction" while the 200T is more "sparkling" causing more "unrest" images.

a tungsten balanced stock is one where the blue layer has been made more sensitive, thus it has a different grain structure than the rest. this can be noticed in certain lighting situations in my experience, especially if the image is underexposed. only on a side by side though. they cut together seamlessly with no trouble at all.

/matt

Post by **T-Scan** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:19 pm

can anyone provide a link to these demos? i was able to find sample stills, is that it? the 200 & 500T looked pretty damn nice. maybe someday i'll splurge the $465 it would take to experiment with 5 rools of negetive stock. hopefully telecine will be cheaper and more available in the near future, and allow us day job enthusiasts to give this fine looking stock a whirl.

Post by **S8 Booster** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:08 pm

Not sure if it is this you search but here are some samples you may download: All clips are full size 35-50mb. This is the "old" stock. The 250D image posted above is from the clip below. I believe there is no actual clip from the new V2500T available yet.

"raw" DV files from Camera: (if you can play them:)
V500T: ftp://ftp.filmshooting.com/upload/video/dv/P8V500T.dv
V200T: ftp://ftp.filmshooting.com/upload/video/dv/V200T1.dv

Quicktime from MAC DV (mov) files:
V200T: ftp://ftp.filmshooting.com/upload/video ... 0Thigh.mov
V250D: ftp://ftp.filmshooting.com/upload/video/mov/V250D.mov
V500T: ftp://ftp.filmshooting.com/upload/video/mov/V500T.mov

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