Posting this pict of all the different carts side by side.
Later I will add the film speed slot measurement data in detail.
Note that the 50D and 250D carts do not have a notch slot that allows use of the built in 85 filter that will automatically totally be disabled on many cams.
The V200T cart was identical but I modified it so it became correctly slotted.
It is no problem to use those alternatives if it is prefereable.
The internal 85 filter will be removed manually when the switch is set to "Lamp" or "indoor" position so it is free to use a lens filter instead.
Using an external light meter and manual F-stop on the cam is available for many cameras and the shutter speed is ususally avaialble too so it is basically no problem.
I believe that the "auto" notching was thought to simplify everything so "everybody" could do "foolproof" shooting.
tosspott wrote:Sad that people can't use a light meter and screw on an 85 filter....
This was Super8, after all... designed for home users to shoot videos of their kids. I think it is safe to say that 98% of Super8 shooters never even saw a light meter, didn't even know what one looked like. Probably half the cameras sold didn't even have manual exposure control so a light meter would have done them no good.
Back before auto-exposure, people still didn't have light meters -- instead the manufacturers would print a little chart on the side of the camera (old B&H's especially) that said "bright sunlight - f/11... cloudy - f/5.6"...
So it may be sad that people can't use a light meter, but S8 was not designed for the light meter crowd. People today may be trying to extract more from the little format (proven by the fact that Pro8mm still exists) but you have to keep in mind where the format came from...
Anonymous wrote:
Back before auto-exposure, people still didn't have light meters -- instead the manufacturers would print a little chart on the side of the camera (old B&H's especially) that said "bright sunlight - f/11... cloudy - f/5.6"...
i still use that method when shooting stills with my old manual slr or minolta 16. i also have a fuji super mini, which is probably the best camera ever built, but there's no way of adjusting the exposure on it manually. damn. :-)
tosspott wrote:Sad that people can't use a light meter and screw on an 85 filter....
This was Super8, after all... designed for home users to shoot videos of their kids. I think it is safe to say that 98% of Super8 shooters never even saw a light meter, didn't even know what one looked like. Probably half the cameras sold didn't even have manual exposure control so a light meter would have done them no good.
Back before auto-exposure, people still didn't have light meters -- instead the manufacturers would print a little chart on the side of the camera (old B&H's especially) that said "bright sunlight - f/11... cloudy - f/5.6"...
So it may be sad that people can't use a light meter, but S8 was not designed for the light meter crowd. People today may be trying to extract more from the little format (proven by the fact that Pro8mm still exists) but you have to keep in mind where the format came from...
Do not know but it is logical to tink that Kodak did se a lot of less then good exposed (D)R8 films beeing shot and tried to design a "one size fits all" system with the Super8.
Not saying that S8 is a totally fault tolerant system but the intentions of the S8 notching system probably took homemovies a step forward or at least had the capacity to do so by eliminating the most obvious "traps".
