Just wondering.
First of all, Rank doesn't exist anymore, Cintel does ( mmmh, some says not for a long time ). But ok, it's the same company.
MkIII, like those in Super8sound are very old technologie ( 1975 ). Ursa is from 1989, URSA Gold from 1993 & Diamond ( far better ) & Rascal are far newer.
But the thing I personnaly found strange is that there not only Flying Spot technologie available for Super8. BTS built Super8 gates for the FDL 90 in the 70's, & there were/is still available on Quadra, Quadra Vision & even Spirit ( the best HD telecine ). So why always talking about Rank or Rank MkIII ?
Matt
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Me too.. I know about a few manufacturers and models (I was actually offered a Millenium Machine a while back with a Super8 gate for just a few million Punds..). However, this link: http://www.alegria.com/tig3/ is deffinetly useful!
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Hi, there!
I could use a "Spirit" to transfer my footage of Super 8 to Digital Beta for the last short film I made. BTW the results were astonishing. On the best TV's the image looks incredible, even using just "plain" reversal K40.
When I had the footage reversed, I was also told, indeed, that Rank Cintel is no longer the only and/or the best name for this process. But probably, my guess, people usually use that term in much the same way as we in Italy say "scotch" to refer to ANY kind of self adhesive transparent tape.
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I could use a "Spirit" to transfer my footage of Super 8 to Digital Beta for the last short film I made. BTW the results were astonishing. On the best TV's the image looks incredible, even using just "plain" reversal K40.
When I had the footage reversed, I was also told, indeed, that Rank Cintel is no longer the only and/or the best name for this process. But probably, my guess, people usually use that term in much the same way as we in Italy say "scotch" to refer to ANY kind of self adhesive transparent tape.
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Maurizio : Wow ! You found a video lab that own a Spirit with a Super8 head ??? Post it there right now !!!! 
Is it SD only or has HD or 2K option ? Though I don't think HD & 2K is really necessary for Super8, I know few clients that would be interested for shoot back on film. What is the color processor connected ?
Spirit is one of the best, if not the best ( I didn't saw ITK products ) telecine available. & guess what ... it's not a Rank. It's our central machine in my compagny & we are very pleased with it : incredible image, near no dust anymore on the film ( with a diffuse light & souflery ), ect ...
To be honest, I saw a few Pro8sound prestation & ... Sure they are near only one to offer negative film & processing for super8 but the film processed by them I saw were very dusty ( to much for a so called "pro lab" ) & there telecine is old fashionned. There's plenty more pro super8 telecine around the world. At the price of a telecinema, better checking for these. I would recommend the Maurizio one because of there stuff.
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Is it SD only or has HD or 2K option ? Though I don't think HD & 2K is really necessary for Super8, I know few clients that would be interested for shoot back on film. What is the color processor connected ?
Spirit is one of the best, if not the best ( I didn't saw ITK products ) telecine available. & guess what ... it's not a Rank. It's our central machine in my compagny & we are very pleased with it : incredible image, near no dust anymore on the film ( with a diffuse light & souflery ), ect ...
To be honest, I saw a few Pro8sound prestation & ... Sure they are near only one to offer negative film & processing for super8 but the film processed by them I saw were very dusty ( to much for a so called "pro lab" ) & there telecine is old fashionned. There's plenty more pro super8 telecine around the world. At the price of a telecinema, better checking for these. I would recommend the Maurizio one because of there stuff.
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Spirit in Rome
Hello, Matt.
I used this transfer facility featuring the "Spirit" last January. The company that operates it is "Fotocinema" and is based in Rome, address: via di S. Erasmo 2, 00184 Roma - Italy; phone: +39 06 70497589, fax: +39 06 77204846. Contact: Mr. Marco Menicucci (marco.menicucci@fotocinema.com). Their rate was rather expensive, compared to the usual prices paid in Italy: it was about 8 Euro (plus tax: 20%), for best light transfer (what they called "luce mediata" in the price estimate I asked); for a scene-to-scene grading session you should multiply that figure at least three times. The guy was quite open to negotiation, anyway, but I guess this might vary a bit, depending primarily on the amount of footage you need to transfer.
The gate is different from the one of the Cintel, conceptwise: I mean Cintel features gates that are the size of small packages: the Spirit has got what might be called a gate much more similar to a plate, like that of a projector in terms of size (more or less): a carefully machined piece of metal (steel?) with a path and an aperture the film is pulled on; there are also small holes meant to remove dirt a few frames before the scanning area by means of high-pressure air. The plate is engaged to the basic, gateless, core of the machine, and every film format can be transferred. :lol:
Unfortunately I can't tell you what kind of color processor they use, but it looked really cool and full of possibilieties. In fact the end color result was excellent even in terms of consistence among scenes that had been shot in very different hours of the day (and you know how unforgiving K40 can be under this respect, colorwise). At that time I knew a little less than I do presently about transfers so I did not really matter about the processor: my first concern was the possibility to transfer the full resolution of S/8 to a video format (I used digital Beta), without frame blending. And I must tell you the result was worth the expense (though I guess that much of such a judjement should be ranked - no pun intended! - personal and subjective. In other words one should ask himself how much he is willing to pay for the sake of being sure the reusult is the best possible he can get. In fact previously I had used a Cintel in another company in Rome which left me not totally satisfied but just because registration was not state-of-the-art. Definition was excellent too, though, but maybe the Cintel machine was a little less capable of handling strong contrasts in the images, then the Spirit is. But one should compare the same images trasnferred with both machines, side by side, to be sure as to which machine is the best one and/or what HE likes best.
One piece of advice: much like Cintel, the Spirit is sensitive to tape splices: if there is even a small gap between the edges in the splice, the scanned image will briefly move downwards on the TV screen a moment before the splice reaches the aperture in the gate, and then it will settle to the correct position. That can be very annoying, therefore use glue.
Hope this helps.
I used this transfer facility featuring the "Spirit" last January. The company that operates it is "Fotocinema" and is based in Rome, address: via di S. Erasmo 2, 00184 Roma - Italy; phone: +39 06 70497589, fax: +39 06 77204846. Contact: Mr. Marco Menicucci (marco.menicucci@fotocinema.com). Their rate was rather expensive, compared to the usual prices paid in Italy: it was about 8 Euro (plus tax: 20%), for best light transfer (what they called "luce mediata" in the price estimate I asked); for a scene-to-scene grading session you should multiply that figure at least three times. The guy was quite open to negotiation, anyway, but I guess this might vary a bit, depending primarily on the amount of footage you need to transfer.
The gate is different from the one of the Cintel, conceptwise: I mean Cintel features gates that are the size of small packages: the Spirit has got what might be called a gate much more similar to a plate, like that of a projector in terms of size (more or less): a carefully machined piece of metal (steel?) with a path and an aperture the film is pulled on; there are also small holes meant to remove dirt a few frames before the scanning area by means of high-pressure air. The plate is engaged to the basic, gateless, core of the machine, and every film format can be transferred. :lol:
Unfortunately I can't tell you what kind of color processor they use, but it looked really cool and full of possibilieties. In fact the end color result was excellent even in terms of consistence among scenes that had been shot in very different hours of the day (and you know how unforgiving K40 can be under this respect, colorwise). At that time I knew a little less than I do presently about transfers so I did not really matter about the processor: my first concern was the possibility to transfer the full resolution of S/8 to a video format (I used digital Beta), without frame blending. And I must tell you the result was worth the expense (though I guess that much of such a judjement should be ranked - no pun intended! - personal and subjective. In other words one should ask himself how much he is willing to pay for the sake of being sure the reusult is the best possible he can get. In fact previously I had used a Cintel in another company in Rome which left me not totally satisfied but just because registration was not state-of-the-art. Definition was excellent too, though, but maybe the Cintel machine was a little less capable of handling strong contrasts in the images, then the Spirit is. But one should compare the same images trasnferred with both machines, side by side, to be sure as to which machine is the best one and/or what HE likes best.
One piece of advice: much like Cintel, the Spirit is sensitive to tape splices: if there is even a small gap between the edges in the splice, the scanned image will briefly move downwards on the TV screen a moment before the splice reaches the aperture in the gate, and then it will settle to the correct position. That can be very annoying, therefore use glue.
Hope this helps.