http://www.wittner-kinotechnik.de/home.php
This metal pressure plate slips into a standard Kodak Super 8 cartridge and claims to give major stability and sharpness improvements. (See above link. Page is in German but has an English description of the item.)
It sounds fantastic!
Has anyone tried it?
Precision-made pressure plate for Kodak Super 8 cartridge
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Bjorn Andersson
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Pressure plate
If you have a Beaulieu camera? No.
It´s better to have the lens and camera-body checked together, and if need, adjusted.
Put your money on this.
You don´t need any extra parts to forget to remove from cartridge when sending for processing. A perfect adjusted camera is better and probably cheaper.
It´s better to have the lens and camera-body checked together, and if need, adjusted.
Put your money on this.
You don´t need any extra parts to forget to remove from cartridge when sending for processing. A perfect adjusted camera is better and probably cheaper.
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Guest
hello. i used this pressure plate with my 6008 beaulieu. With it, it's most sharp. There is a very notable difference when you used a projector with a very large screen like more 3 metres.
Now I can use the high speed 80 fps without any problemes of "blocking" film in the camera.
sorry for my bad english.... i'm froggy!!!
Now I can use the high speed 80 fps without any problemes of "blocking" film in the camera.
sorry for my bad english.... i'm froggy!!!
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Ludwig
Hallo.
I cant get the same opinion on that. I have used the plate
and in fact it is not a joke investment. If your camera works well with Kodachrome and your results are good for you, its
not neccessary. For a students project we have test a lot
cameras and find out, that with VNF 7240 and Color-Negative
you need it. If without plate you have 50 % problems and
with the plate none or only 5 % it will worth to think about.
In fact with the plate you have general constant results.
On the Andec Website there are some articles to that
in english.
http://www.andecfilm.de/html/bildstand_1e.htm
If you have problems with only one part, described the
plate will helps for, you can think about it.
Greetings
I cant get the same opinion on that. I have used the plate
and in fact it is not a joke investment. If your camera works well with Kodachrome and your results are good for you, its
not neccessary. For a students project we have test a lot
cameras and find out, that with VNF 7240 and Color-Negative
you need it. If without plate you have 50 % problems and
with the plate none or only 5 % it will worth to think about.
In fact with the plate you have general constant results.
On the Andec Website there are some articles to that
in english.
http://www.andecfilm.de/html/bildstand_1e.htm
If you have problems with only one part, described the
plate will helps for, you can think about it.
Greetings
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Bjorn Andersson
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"Anonymous"
It looks like your 6008 should need a smaller adjustment of lens/body to be perfect. If your camera would have been right, you should always had sharp frames. And about your "blocking" film at 80f/sec is caused by the old jaming cassettes.
Ludwig.
You have earlier preached for this plate on the forum, but as I said; to a PERFECT adjusted Beaulieu, you don´t have the need to use it. With the "new" cassettes from Kodak the need of this plate is not longer so important.
It looks like your 6008 should need a smaller adjustment of lens/body to be perfect. If your camera would have been right, you should always had sharp frames. And about your "blocking" film at 80f/sec is caused by the old jaming cassettes.
Ludwig.
You have earlier preached for this plate on the forum, but as I said; to a PERFECT adjusted Beaulieu, you don´t have the need to use it. With the "new" cassettes from Kodak the need of this plate is not longer so important.
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maik
Hello,
I have seen the discussion about the pressure plate some month ago.
In Feb. 2002 I bought a complete new/remanufactured Beaulieu 6008 PRO from Beaulieu in France. I guess, this camera was very well adjusted and the results were very good indeed. But I became curiously as I read about this plate.
In April 2002 I ordered a first plate from Wittner Cinetechnik
http://www.wittner-kinotechnik.de/katal ... ruckp.html
and was surprised about the increasing quality of the results. Better frame steadiness and indeed better sharpness over the whole picture.
Something must be special with this pressure plate. This Can not be only a medicine for de/unadjusted cameras. My Beaulieu was fresh from Beaulieu and I am sure, it was adjusted well.....!
maik
I have seen the discussion about the pressure plate some month ago.
In Feb. 2002 I bought a complete new/remanufactured Beaulieu 6008 PRO from Beaulieu in France. I guess, this camera was very well adjusted and the results were very good indeed. But I became curiously as I read about this plate.
In April 2002 I ordered a first plate from Wittner Cinetechnik
http://www.wittner-kinotechnik.de/katal ... ruckp.html
and was surprised about the increasing quality of the results. Better frame steadiness and indeed better sharpness over the whole picture.
Something must be special with this pressure plate. This Can not be only a medicine for de/unadjusted cameras. My Beaulieu was fresh from Beaulieu and I am sure, it was adjusted well.....!
maik
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Bjorn Andersson
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maik
Hello,
yes, since april/may I have only used the new cartridges to compare the results WITH and WITHOUT pressure plate.
To get a representative result for my own tests, I shot some cartridges half WITH and half WITHOUT the pressure plate (same takes). This was to avoid that tolerances of the cartridge had any influence to the results.
maik
yes, since april/may I have only used the new cartridges to compare the results WITH and WITHOUT pressure plate.
To get a representative result for my own tests, I shot some cartridges half WITH and half WITHOUT the pressure plate (same takes). This was to avoid that tolerances of the cartridge had any influence to the results.
maik
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Bjorn Andersson
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Hello Maik,
I´m sorry to say this, but I think there would be a good ideea to have your camera returned to Beaulieu in France for a control (any guarantee?), to see if the lens project a perfect image on the cameras filmplane.
Even the sun has black spots.
Did you bought the lens together with the camera from Beaulieu in France?
I´m sorry to say this, but I think there would be a good ideea to have your camera returned to Beaulieu in France for a control (any guarantee?), to see if the lens project a perfect image on the cameras filmplane.
Even the sun has black spots.
Did you bought the lens together with the camera from Beaulieu in France?
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jerome makles
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hello maik, hello björn...
I used a brand controled 6008 beaulieu camera. I work with beaulieu, bit's easy cause i'm living in france. I buy more than 50 k40 by year.
I have tried with only fresh film and like maik , 3 different carrige half witout and half with and I have a noticed different.
In fact, i can say that with the "press" every carridge are the same, with the same sharpness... a like I said I can now with fresh stok make a 80fps without any problemes.
I happy with it, I 'm going to test it in the next month with a 50T...
but it's not a obligation to used it just more better...
and better, better, better... maybe the right image ????
I used a brand controled 6008 beaulieu camera. I work with beaulieu, bit's easy cause i'm living in france. I buy more than 50 k40 by year.
I have tried with only fresh film and like maik , 3 different carrige half witout and half with and I have a noticed different.
In fact, i can say that with the "press" every carridge are the same, with the same sharpness... a like I said I can now with fresh stok make a 80fps without any problemes.
I happy with it, I 'm going to test it in the next month with a 50T...
but it's not a obligation to used it just more better...
and better, better, better... maybe the right image ????
Up to now I am not using the plate, because I think that a correct adjusted lens should give perfect results. Recently I got a 1.2/6-80 Angenieux lens adapted to my Beaulieu body and I am very satisfyed.
The quality of the adaption job is the key for sharpness. Any shop, that sells Beaulieu lenses separatly from the bodies without asking its customers to send in theirs cameras when purchasing a lens, is not serious for me... only making business. BODIES ARE NOT INTERCHANGABLE - ONLY ADUSTED LENSES FOR ONE AND THE SAME BODY!
Another aspect concerning this topic, is that I know, that Beaulieu France has some serious problems with quality and nearly every camera/projector delivered to Germany needs some further (small) adjustments prior to be sold to the custumer, for not getting in trouble with warranty costs.
With projectors, the main point is pollishing the film path, as oftenly they are scratching fresh films. With cameras, the problems are in adjustment of bundled lenses and in electronic options, like single frame counters, LCD meter counters etc. There are very few people working at Beaulieu France, they are making really great products, but the quality has to be controlled by the dealer!
Concerning the pressure plate of Kodak carts, that plate actually does not press the film totally to the gate. The film is "floating" in a certain distance to the gate. The lens adjustment normally is performed considering this distance. Only when having a superdrive modifyed Beaulieu camera, the modification includes a lens adjustemt to exactly the gate surface, because the superdrive also has an inox pressure plate.
So, the additional pressure plate for Kodak carts "should" result in a less perfect focus, when the camera had been perfectly adjusted before!
Pedro
The quality of the adaption job is the key for sharpness. Any shop, that sells Beaulieu lenses separatly from the bodies without asking its customers to send in theirs cameras when purchasing a lens, is not serious for me... only making business. BODIES ARE NOT INTERCHANGABLE - ONLY ADUSTED LENSES FOR ONE AND THE SAME BODY!
Another aspect concerning this topic, is that I know, that Beaulieu France has some serious problems with quality and nearly every camera/projector delivered to Germany needs some further (small) adjustments prior to be sold to the custumer, for not getting in trouble with warranty costs.
With projectors, the main point is pollishing the film path, as oftenly they are scratching fresh films. With cameras, the problems are in adjustment of bundled lenses and in electronic options, like single frame counters, LCD meter counters etc. There are very few people working at Beaulieu France, they are making really great products, but the quality has to be controlled by the dealer!
Concerning the pressure plate of Kodak carts, that plate actually does not press the film totally to the gate. The film is "floating" in a certain distance to the gate. The lens adjustment normally is performed considering this distance. Only when having a superdrive modifyed Beaulieu camera, the modification includes a lens adjustemt to exactly the gate surface, because the superdrive also has an inox pressure plate.
So, the additional pressure plate for Kodak carts "should" result in a less perfect focus, when the camera had been perfectly adjusted before!
Pedro
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Bjorn Andersson
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Thank you Pedro.
You have just given the right answer.
I agree in some of what you say about that the quality sometimes has to be checked before delivery by the dealer. I have seen this sometimes in the factory, when I was working with the repair and service at the Beaulieu factory, fortunately not in the production line.
The toleranceses in the production of lenses and camera bodys for the C-mounth is +-0,02mm. The distance shall be 17,52mm+-0,02. If a camera body is: 17.54mm and a the lens: 17,50mm. They are both inside the level, but the image will not be "perfect". To minimise this tolerance is to make the final adjustment, which sometimes has to be done. If you bye lens and camera from different sellers, this is the first thing to check.
You have just given the right answer.
I agree in some of what you say about that the quality sometimes has to be checked before delivery by the dealer. I have seen this sometimes in the factory, when I was working with the repair and service at the Beaulieu factory, fortunately not in the production line.
The toleranceses in the production of lenses and camera bodys for the C-mounth is +-0,02mm. The distance shall be 17,52mm+-0,02. If a camera body is: 17.54mm and a the lens: 17,50mm. They are both inside the level, but the image will not be "perfect". To minimise this tolerance is to make the final adjustment, which sometimes has to be done. If you bye lens and camera from different sellers, this is the first thing to check.
Hi Bjorn,
these absolute adjustments incl. tolerance allowed are the point of the whole problem. People always think, that Beaulieu service must be expensive like entering with a Mercedes in a Mercedes service shop. But in this case it isn´t. Proper lens adjustment is much cheaper than the additional pressure plate, in Germany it rates about € 35...50, depending on the pin position. And then you have the professional solution and the garantee to get out the best of the preciouse film stock.
The pressure plate had been originally developed/invented when the new Kodak film stock came up (VNF, negative etc). Cameras and cardriges had been optimized for the thickness of K40. VNF and negative are thinner and may result in not constant sharpness, jitter etc. So there should be a increase in quality when using that film stocks together with the pressure plate.
The idea to sell the pressure plate commercially (Andex) came up exactly together with the jitter problems at Kodak. Even if the Andex article says that the plate cannot "repair" defective carts, I am shure that many users hoped to resolve Kodak problems by their selves, using this plate.
Pedro
these absolute adjustments incl. tolerance allowed are the point of the whole problem. People always think, that Beaulieu service must be expensive like entering with a Mercedes in a Mercedes service shop. But in this case it isn´t. Proper lens adjustment is much cheaper than the additional pressure plate, in Germany it rates about € 35...50, depending on the pin position. And then you have the professional solution and the garantee to get out the best of the preciouse film stock.
The pressure plate had been originally developed/invented when the new Kodak film stock came up (VNF, negative etc). Cameras and cardriges had been optimized for the thickness of K40. VNF and negative are thinner and may result in not constant sharpness, jitter etc. So there should be a increase in quality when using that film stocks together with the pressure plate.
The idea to sell the pressure plate commercially (Andex) came up exactly together with the jitter problems at Kodak. Even if the Andex article says that the plate cannot "repair" defective carts, I am shure that many users hoped to resolve Kodak problems by their selves, using this plate.
Pedro