It's amazing what they'll sell on eBay
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It's amazing what they'll sell on eBay
My needs are few but very expensive.
I transferred some guys old 8mm films to VHS once. When I gave him the tape and the films back he said "toss this shit away". He was referring to the film. I explained that the film is a better archive than the VHS and that he should hold onto it. He didn't care. I wasn't going to throw it away so I sold it on ebay 
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Alex
There was already one auction that concluded...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... egory=1476
I want to bid! I want it, I want it. Is it possible that we could "fake" home movie production and then sell it on ebay as classic footage from the 70's?
We could have except Kodak doesn't sell sound stripe film anymore. Darn!
(disclaimer-the above is meant as a respectful mockumentary)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... egory=1476
I want to bid! I want it, I want it. Is it possible that we could "fake" home movie production and then sell it on ebay as classic footage from the 70's?
We could have except Kodak doesn't sell sound stripe film anymore. Darn!
(disclaimer-the above is meant as a respectful mockumentary)
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Alex
That footage could prove valuable in many ways. If it's well shot, and shot with Kodachrome, it would be cool to evalute how it "looks" and to evalutate the registration, (even though it's probably been run through the projector a few times which can eventually affect the registration).
Also, wouldn't it be a hoot to try and figure out who is in the picture and return the film to the original family? A great way to practice becoming a detective.
Also, wouldn't it be a hoot to try and figure out who is in the picture and return the film to the original family? A great way to practice becoming a detective.
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Alex
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... otohosting
The same seller shot the above image while the film was being projected.
The same seller shot the above image while the film was being projected.
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aj
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rights on found footage
If somebody does away with his/her films it does not mean the copyrights or the imagerights of the people or objects in the film are transfered to the person who starts using this film after finding or buying it. If you are ordered (and agree) to throw it away you cannot sell it or transfer the ownerrights to someone else.
So, publishing the film on found-footage festivals etcetc can cause legal trouble. And is definitly a breach of the privacy of the people in the film. Watching it for yourself should be the no problem if the copy was obtained legally. Re-editing does not produce new work so that does not give rights.
All, quite in analogy with photo and music. Like The Kiss photo from Doisneau or re-using samples with the music from James Brown.
So, publishing the film on found-footage festivals etcetc can cause legal trouble. And is definitly a breach of the privacy of the people in the film. Watching it for yourself should be the no problem if the copy was obtained legally. Re-editing does not produce new work so that does not give rights.
All, quite in analogy with photo and music. Like The Kiss photo from Doisneau or re-using samples with the music from James Brown.
Kind regards,
André
André
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Alex
I know this has been discussed before, but if the original owner agrees to not own the footage anymore and discards it, if someone finds the discarded footage don't they gain some kind of legal rights to use the footage that were given up by the original owner?
Kind of like when you throw something away in the garbage, someone else can grab it out of the garbage and it is theirs.
Kind of like when you throw something away in the garbage, someone else can grab it out of the garbage and it is theirs.
I agree with Alex. What if these people, hypothetically, signed a waiver. They have waived any rights or priveleges they previously may have had to the image. The new owner would also assume copyright ownership in addition to ownership of the actual film on the reel.
Another example, if I go to a Nascar race or some other general exhibition that is highly attended, chances are on the back of the ticket there is a disclaimer that allows the promoter of the event to use the likeness and image of everyone who enters the particular venue without offering any sort of compensation or liability of any sort.
If the person who legally produced that footage sold or gave that footage to me, the copyright would also be inherited by me...unless expressly stated by the seller that he/she was selling the footage only, ie that particular reel of film with those particular images and not the copyright to the images themselves. What if it is the only reel of its kind with those images, then the seller may chose to license those images to me for a finite period or even in complete perpetuity.
And lastly, though there is no way for the film to be that old, once something enters the "public domain" (varies with different types of media) copyright ceases to exist and people may use it generally.
Another example, if I go to a Nascar race or some other general exhibition that is highly attended, chances are on the back of the ticket there is a disclaimer that allows the promoter of the event to use the likeness and image of everyone who enters the particular venue without offering any sort of compensation or liability of any sort.
If the person who legally produced that footage sold or gave that footage to me, the copyright would also be inherited by me...unless expressly stated by the seller that he/she was selling the footage only, ie that particular reel of film with those particular images and not the copyright to the images themselves. What if it is the only reel of its kind with those images, then the seller may chose to license those images to me for a finite period or even in complete perpetuity.
And lastly, though there is no way for the film to be that old, once something enters the "public domain" (varies with different types of media) copyright ceases to exist and people may use it generally.
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aj
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clou to owning the copyright
The clou is that owning the copyright is not based on owning the original (negative etc). The moment you push the button you have created the image and the copyrights are created too. Where ever the film goes. It never ceases to exist or if many people say the consider it public it still is not free of right. The Zapruder film is not free of rights. Nor the Hindenburg-landing-on-fire film.
The people in the film own the right of their picture. Makes no difference who owns the copyright. Before publishing you would need a model-waiver.
Also designed objects (everything created, actually) in the scenes would need an agreement of the rightsholder. Any idea how many agreements TV and film producers need for dressing up a set/decor?
Thinking it should be otherwise does make it OK to act otherwise.
Appreciation for copyright comes when you create or design something and others start using your creations with asking or paying. Or when your own face shows up on film (not too gentle) without proper procedure.
The people in the film own the right of their picture. Makes no difference who owns the copyright. Before publishing you would need a model-waiver.
Also designed objects (everything created, actually) in the scenes would need an agreement of the rightsholder. Any idea how many agreements TV and film producers need for dressing up a set/decor?
Thinking it should be otherwise does make it OK to act otherwise.
Appreciation for copyright comes when you create or design something and others start using your creations with asking or paying. Or when your own face shows up on film (not too gentle) without proper procedure.
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André
André
I'm not sure if the laws are the same here in the U.S. There is an interesting PDF of photographer's rights in the U.S. here...
http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm
...which suggests that any person in a public place in he U.S. can be photographed, and cannot claim to "own" thier own image.
I've been told by professional photographers that if you stand on a public street or sidewalk in the U.S., your allowed to photograph anything around you, as long as your pictures aren't considered a threat to national security.
http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm
...which suggests that any person in a public place in he U.S. can be photographed, and cannot claim to "own" thier own image.
I've been told by professional photographers that if you stand on a public street or sidewalk in the U.S., your allowed to photograph anything around you, as long as your pictures aren't considered a threat to national security.