Ektachrome and 200T exposure questions

[shralp]

Yup, you definitely have more play with a neg. stock as far as exposure goes. As a side note, I spoke with Eric at Flying Spot last night about the test rolls of Vision 200 and Ektachrome that I recently sent over, (first time shooting with either). I shot these in the snow in similar conditions that my movie was shot on.
The results:
As opposed to my K-40 which is perfect when shot 2.5 stops over in the snow, which still freaks me out a little, the Vision when shot similarly, (I shot it 2 stops over since the difference between the cam. using the max ASA of 160 as opposed to the film rating would give me about 1/2 stop), was completely nuclear and over exposed way too much. It seems that I can shoot the Vision with my Nizo Pro and telecine on THIS particular system at about 1/2 stop over and be fine.

Secondly, even with the overexposure of the 200T taken into account, Eric noted that the Vision absolutely STOMPED the Ektachrome in terms of overall look. I shot these under the same conditions on the same day. He said that the ektachrome looked like blobs of crap when compared to the 200T, better colors, obviously better latitude, and similar grain.

I haven't seen these rolls yet so I can't say for myself, but once I shoot another exposure corrected roll of 200T, I'll do them all at once to compare. What I'm figuring out here is that if I'm going to shoot reversal, its pretty much going to be K-40/Plus-x/Tri-x and if I'm going to shoot Neg. it will be the 200T. How much K-40 will I actually shoot once I see what the 200T can do? With the 200T I don't have to deal with crapshoot processing that includes blue streaks, funky color shifts, possible less than perfect in-lab chemistry depending on the day of the week, the need to send it out to have it all re-cleaned, etc. etc. All the things that I've come to expect from a professional lab with my 16mm are slowly coming to light with my Super 8. Hmmm...

[S8 Booster]

I was not even aware that there was a notch for setting the filter. All the cameras I have, have a switch to manually enable and disable the 85 filter. Can you give an example of a camera where the filter is automatically set via the notch?

Basically all cams except Beaulieus. the incorrectly notced cart continously disables the function of the filter switch. The filter will not operate even though the knob operates. This is a function originally made for pure D films (Possibly K25 for one) incoporated in the S8 cams auto exposure notching systems.

R

[Lunar07]

I was not even aware that there was a notch for setting the filter. All the cameras I have, have a switch to manually enable and disable the 85 filter. Can you give an example of a camera where the filter is automatically set via the notch?

Basically all cams except Beaulieus. the incorrectly notced cart continously disables the function of the filter switch. The filter will not operate even though the knob operates. This is a function originally made for pure D films (Possibly K25 for one) incoporated in the S8 cams auto exposure notching systems.

R

I do not understand this. On the Bauer 209XL, for example, one can set the filter manually regardless of the notch or if there is a film there. On the Zeiss Ikon, or a Eumig, one uses a key to activate or deactivate a filter regardless of any notch on the film. Maybe I am missing something here.

[S8 Booster]

Some imges to show what us up. easy to modify if you want to use the fukter.





R

[Santo]

I was just about to respond to this also.

My Nizos (sound and 800 design) are manual filter on and off as are my Zeiss cameras.

This is more a Japanese "no think" thing. With my former Canon 814's I had to use a needlenose plier to snap off the correct section of the cartridge with plus-x.

[S8 Booster]

I do not believe it is a japanese thing but a ANSI/SMPTE Super8 standard which the japanese met with precission engineering while some others failed. ;-)

You may check your cams again though. The cart activation system may still override the filter switch even though you operate it.

http://lavender.fortunecity.com/lavende ... tspec.html

http://lavender.fortunecity.com/lavende ... ching.html

r

[T-Scan]

where do you guys get the V200T telecined? i've been looking into this film, hear it needs to be rank transferred. i don't think anyone uses a rank locally. one place in town said they could do it, 14 cents a foot, but i don't think they really knew what it was.

[Lunar07]

I do not believe it is a japanese thing but a ANSI/SMPTE Super8 standard which the japanese met with precissioin engineering while some others failed. ;-)

You may chck your cams again though. The cart activation system may still override the filter switch even though you operate it.

http://lavender.fortunecity.com/lavende ... tspec.html

http://lavender.fortunecity.com/lavende ... ching.html

r

Thanks S8 Booster for this information. I really hope this is not the case where a notch actually sets the filter on my cameras. But I am going to check.

[shralp]

T-Scan,
Check out Flying Spot in Seattle, http://www.fsft.com or Cine Post in Atlanta, or Pro 8mm in L.A.

[CHAS]

T-Scan,
Check out Flying Spot in Seattle, http://www.fsft.com or Cine Post in Atlanta, or Pro 8mm in L.A.

Yale in North Hollywood does this as well...

[mattias]

very late reply, i know, but since the thread is still here...

actually all color negative films show "better" (subjective, so lets say diffferent) results on overexposure than on their marked rating. one reason for this is marketing

actually i believe the reason is that they are rated so that the emulsion represents 18% grey with a middle density, while the reason this usually isn't what looks the best is that this usually isn't what represents shadows or highlight the best. also, if you look at the grain curve for any stock you will see that it has a bump at very low densities, and by overexposing negative or underexposing reversal you make sure the midtones are kep out of the "grain area", even though this might push the asa rating a little off.

/matt

[Santo]

I do not believe it is a japanese thing but a ANSI/SMPTE Super8 standard which the japanese met with precission engineering while some others failed. ;-)

r

Yeah, I'm taking another Japanese engineering jab at you in a way.

But in both cases, the manuals for the Nizos and Zeiss cameras are very specific in this area. Serious, thinking users only need apply.

Frankly it's an oddity to me. Japan has more "serious" photographers than any other country and has had for 30-40 years I'm certain. I lived in Victoria, BC, Canada for 5 years -- you wouldn't believe the numbers of Japanese tourists with phenomenal photographic equipment by the bus load. The number of top of the line Nikons and Canons -- astounding. And you'd think the world's concentration of those olive coloured Leicas was in their hands!

But Japanese super 8 concentration was far more about American mass market than the German manufacturers. "no think" is by no means the description of the intelligent Americans obvious on this site. Super 8 is not mass market these days, but rather "smart market" or "art market". But the Japanese were after Uncle Bob and Aunt Tillie and scored big time with their admitedly brilliant "no think" policy and cheap prices and relatively high quality with their cameras (certainly for what you paid). The Japanese were master marketers in mega-market America in those days with their fingers on the pulse of the American consumer.

[S8 Booster]

Clives James visited Japan in one of his TV "reports" of tourist sites there where he spotted 126 million cams & photographers and he described them this way; The worlds best cameras (35mm) - the worlds worst photographers". I me not know woulda´

However - is there a particular reason why amcar magazines always refered to the "idiot lights" on the dash? :lol:

R

[Santo]

idiot lights. yes. But it's a smart engineer who could have put superb accurate gauges there but didn't because of the market back then, that's the ironic thing! :lol:

[S8 Booster]

Yup. that´s how the world moves forward :?:

Check out VHS->BETAMAX->2000 and PCs->MACs as other samples.

not to mention VHS->S8 :twisted:

The "good" stuff always win in the end - puuhhh...

R