How about a DVD with examples of everyones work from here

Post by **Scotness** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:34 pm

Nahie - Sunrise - totally agree with your last two posts - I think th point is woods01 since all of this can be done at home and they are both willing to put the time in there's no need for an entry fee - why have it? - the costs of the dvd's can be covered in the purchase cost so there's no real need for it - as far as standard goes I wouldn't mind betting in the end everything will be of a pretty high standard anyway and that won't be too much of a problem or worry - so I suggest Nahie or sunrise you start a new thread with all the submission information on it and we take it from there

Scot

Post by **sunrise** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 11:22 pm

CHAS, I agree with you that subject matter should not be a deciding factor in an eventual deciding process.

I would claim that everyone on this site is liable to a one minute showreel for starters. But if we are short of space on the DVD a selection has to be made. Therefore should the features selected be of the highest quality. As far as I know we have space for about 90 mins of decent quality video on a DVD-r.

Projects could be previewed on this site first and voted for...

sunrise

Post by **nahie** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:50 pm

CHAS wrote:I'm not so sure I like the idea of having one or two people deciding which films get on and which are rejected. I make, for the most part, experimental short narratives. What if the person who is deciding is really into say, snowboarding docs and happens to HATE anything that isn't like that? So then we have a natural bias to go through...and who decides what goes on anyway?

The only reason I would think a piece wouldn't go on the reel is because of a really bad telecine, or including copyrighted material or xxx. On that note, can people submit "R" rated clips? I think xxx should be out of the question (does anyone have any anyway?) but since we're all adults here, maybe R is ok? Maybe we could estimate a rating to put on the film's menu page so sensitive people would know. Anyway, no "properly telecined" submission will be turned down. We can always make more DVD's.

Let's finalize the submission stuff here before posting it in a new thread. So far we have:

1. Max 1 main production (short film, musicvideo etc.) per person.

2. Max 10 mins per production.

3. Max 1 minute showreel/presentationfilm of each submitter.

4. Each submitter can design their own menu for their own film, but

5. There will be a main menu in a fixed design.

6. Films, music etc. will not infringe any copyrights.

7. Menus should include showreel, biography and stills.

8. Submissions can be sent on miniDV, VHS, SVHS, laserdisc, MII, Betacam SP or DVCPRO in NTSC ONLY, except miniDV and VHS can be in PAL or NTSC (if sent to Nahie). MiniDV in PAL or NTSC is preferred and will give the cleanest transfer. All material from tapes will be converted to MPEG2, NTSC and PAL, at 6mbps VBR and AC3 or MPA audio at 224 kpbs. If you have a surround-sound audio track (anyone?) it will need to be supplied as a 6 channel .wav or .aiff or already encoded as 5.1 AC3.

9. Submissions can also be sent as MPEG2 encoded files, either NTSC or PAL or both (preferred) as long as they fit the project encoded guidelines (6mbps VBR or less) with encoded audio (224 kpbs AC3 for NTSC and MPA for PAL). These can be sent on a CD-R or, if under 200mb, uploaded to my ftp.

10. Submitted menus must be 720x480 NTSC and/or 720x576 PAL, in any of these graphic formats: .tga (targa), .tiff, .bmp (bitmap), .jpg (JPEG) or .pic (macintosh PICT). These can be submitted on a floppy disc or CD-R with the tape, or uploaded to my ftp.

You can fit about 90 mins of 6mbps video on a DVD-R. That means if 9 people submit full 10 min projects we would be full. But I don't think that will happen right off.

I say we go with a "first to submit, first on the disc" submission method. If we get too many submissions, we just make disc 2, disc 3, etc. I want to see it all!

-Nahie

Post by **sunrise** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:21 pm

I can do mini-DV and DV-cam in PAL format, but VHS and S-VHS in both PAL and secam.

People in Europe can send their stuff to me to save both time and money.

Never thought of rating although the first short I did was rated R (to my big surprise) when showing.

sunrise

Post by **seer** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 9:18 pm

Just some thoughts...

Is it possible to say work out a price and then when people send in thier clips they can add in some money aswell so they have already paid for a copy of the dvd. As I am sure everyone who enters some footage will want the entire dvd aswell. Just a thought.

Also I was thinking of just sending in like a 5 minute clip, It would probably take a little while as I need to get it processed and telecined.. so what is the deadline?

Thanks

Post by **nahie** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:35 pm

seer wrote:Just some thoughts...

Is it possible to say work out a price and then when people send in thier clips they can add in some money aswell so they have already paid for a copy of the dvd. As I am sure everyone who enters some footage will want the entire dvd aswell. Just a thought.

Also I was thinking of just sending in like a 5 minute clip, It would probably take a little while as I need to get it processed and telecined.. so what is the deadline?

Thanks

Here's what I'm thinking for cost:

DVD-R disc: $1.30 each with case

http://www.meritline.com/comdealfordv.html

note that these discs won't play in all players, but if they don't play in your player, the chances are good that no DVD-R media will play in your player at all

These are the discs that I've had the best luck with, even better than "commerical" brands like TDK or Memorex.

I know priority shipping in the US is $3.85 to just about anywhere (except AK, HI I think). Delivery confirmation is $.45 so a total of $4.30 if you want delivery confirmation. Regular mail is ~$1.50 - $2.50 (average about $2 then). This is only for the US....international priority mail is $9.50 to the UK and up to $12-15 to Australia for example. That is shipped from the US. You do not want to send stuff like this regular mail international because there is a really good chance it will get "lost." Then you have the cost of the packing material, which is about $.75 for a padded mailer envelope. So you're looking at:

US regular: $4.05
US priority: $6.35
International: $11.55 - 16.05

As for timeline, I know a lot of people will need some time to get their clips together. That is why I think a first come, first serve process would be best. When we have enough submissions for a full disc, then we'll author it. What do you guys think about making multiple discs?

Post by **Petteri** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:03 pm

I think this is going quite well ;-) Double or Triple DVD sounds nice as well..... The "rules" in previos post was fine for me!

Will you guys deal the stuff from europe / us together so that we will have same version on both "regions" (that will put the costs a bit upper, right?)?

I think new threat for preliminary submission list, would be good idea.

Petteri

Website · Post by **Andersens Tears** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:33 pm

How about a 17min 400 foot Super 8 selected excerpts reel with optical sound and a nice presentation box with nice 70's style artwork...??

.... no? Too retro (and epensive!)

.... I can dream can't I?? :roll:

Website · Post by **Andersens Tears** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:33 pm

How about a 17min 400 foot Super 8 selected excerpts reel with optical sound and a nice presentation box with nice 70's style artwork...??

.... no? Too retro?? (and epensive!)

.... I can dream can't I?? :roll:

Website · Post by **Andersens Tears** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:42 pm

sorry for the double posting.... don't know for the life of me how that happened!

Post by **nahie** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 6:03 am

Petteri wrote:I think this is going quite well ;-) Double or Triple DVD sounds nice as well..... The "rules" in previos post was fine for me!

Will you guys deal the stuff from europe / us together so that we will have same version on both "regions" (that will put the costs a bit upper, right?)?

I think new threat for preliminary submission list, would be good idea.

Petteri

If Sunrise has a fast internet connection, we could just transfer the files to each other that way...no increased costs at all. I have a ftp that can handle whatever size files they would be. The idea is to have a PAL and NTSC disc that have the same material on them.

If people want to start sending me material, my mailing address is:

Nathan Neville
7063 S. 700 W.
Midvale, UT 84047

Also, Sunrise, you can PM me with your email address you want me to use or I can just use the hotmail address in your profile so we can co-ordinate all this.

-Nahie

Post by **sunrise** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 12:41 pm

I do not have the possibility of burning DVD-r's, but I have aggreed upon helping out for two reasons. Time and money. It's a big project for nahie to be left alone with, and europeans will save a substantial amount of time and transportation costs by mailing their tapes to me.

The final discs will be posted from Midvale (and region free), unless someone else with a fast connection and a DVD-burner reports.

So, if you are in Europe send your entry to this adress:

Michael Hedelain
Sunrise Productions
Oresundsvej 48 st th
2300 Copenhagen S

Acceptet formats: DV-cam, Mini-DV (PAL-format), S-VHS and VHS (PAL and SECAM).

nahie, my hotmail is fine.

sunrise

Post by **Patrick** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:15 pm

Unfortunately, I do not have the means or the know-how or access to the right technology to design and save DVD menus. Is this a problem? Nahie, is it possible for you to use some sort of stock DVD menu design for people in my situation?

Post by **nahie** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:39 pm

Patrick wrote:Unfortunately, I do not have the means or the know-how or access to the right technology to design and save DVD menus. Is this a problem? Nahie, is it possible for you to use some sort of stock DVD menu design for people in my situation?

I do have some generic stock menus I could use for people who can't or don't want to make their own menu. That's not a problem. I'll look for one that looks the best for this project and post an image of it on my website so you guys can see what it looks like.

-Nahie

Post by **sunrise** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 12:45 am

How is everyone doing?

Are you still up for this or are you waiting for the submission thread?

cheers
sunrise