Regular 8 Vision 3 50D and 250D

[milesandjules]

We would love a roll of that 50 asa. genius job

[cineandy]

[quote="silverhalide"]The unperforated film has arrived. Wittner is closed until 1/8/16. I'll be shipping 1/6/16 or 1/7/16...

Story at eleven...[/quote]

Was is not possible for Kodak to perf the film?
I hope wittners perfing is better quality than they produced 2-3 years ago on the std 8mm velvia, it was pretty dire.....

[Eric Milborn]

@Cineandy
The Velvia 50 R8 Wittner did sell was (re)perforated by E. Nowill. Not Wittner.
Wittner's own all new R8 perforator did not went into service until 3/2014. This is the date when R8 200D became available (btw exactly 12 month after the Super 8 and 16mm version).

[silverhalide]

The unperforated film has arrived. Wittner is closed until 1/8/16. I'll be shipping 1/6/16 or 1/7/16...

Story at eleven...

Was is not possible for Kodak to perf the film?
I hope wittners perfing is better quality than they produced 2-3 years ago on the std 8mm velvia, it was pretty dire.....

Wittner is German for "Perfect Perforations".

[inspector calls]

Reference unsteady perfs on early Wittner Velvia it is indeed the case that this was reperforated 16mm film as I reperforated it.
No one need have any concern with the current quality of Wittner's work.Reperforated film should always be used with matched camera/projector pulldown claws.I would be nice to have printing facilities asap as quite a number of us have no digital projection facilities & rely solely on film projectors.
Furthermore it is now possible, for the first time, to make 8mm feature films following the normal industry practice of using prints to edit,cutting the master negative when the fine cut has been done & having a splice free polyester base projection copy.
8mm cinematographers in the past used adapted projectors as printers for this purpose,the Bell/Howell model 605 being especially suitable for this purpose on account of having a shaded pole induction motor giving very stable run through speed.

[silverhalide]

Film shipped to Wittner today. Fedex tracking says it will arrive there on 1/14/16...

[JeremyC]

@Cineandy
The Velvia 50 R8 Wittner did sell was (re)perforated by E. Nowill. Not Wittner.
Wittner's own all new R8 perforator did not went into service until 3/2014. This is the date when R8 200D became available (btw exactly 12 month after the Super 8 and 16mm version).

I thought Wittner's new perfortator was S8 not standard 8 and that Edward Nowill was the only one around with a standard 8 perforator.

I've bought Satndard 8 film from Edward - works fine.

[silverhalide]

Film stock has arrived in Germany

[inspector calls]

I do have perforators for std 8 film ,one Debrie machine & another from Agfa made by Buko who supplied most European film manufacturers.freshly perforated film should never cause uneven perforation pitch as the punch & die teeth are locked to each other in rows with reference teeth engaging already perforated film.Wittner's machines are also of the Buko type working to the same method.I do not take on polyester based film as my machines [slitters/perforators] are rated for triacetate only & I generally manufacture in small batches.
.Wittner has spent capital on machinery capable of working with the much harder polyester film bases such as Agfa's E6 colour film.

[Will2]

Film stock has arrived in Germany

So where did we leave this, are you taking formal orders or waiting to get the stock in your hands before offering it for sale?

[silverhalide]

Film stock has arrived in Germany

So where did we leave this, are you taking formal orders or waiting to get the stock in your hands before offering it for sale?

I've been negotiating the purchase of a domain name for use in conjunction with selling this film. If that negotiation is fruitful, I'll set up a web page there and will probably have links to ebay items.

Alternate plan is to just list the items on ebay and post links in relevant forums.

I think the former approach will be more successful, if I can get a decent domain name that I like.

Wittner's darkroom staff gets back from vacation next week and work will commence then.

[mr8mm]

How will the film be packaged? In standard camera lengths, 25ft, 100ft, etc. on daylight spools or some other form such as on cores? Will the film be sold as individual spools or in bulk on 400ft spools? Unfortunately using Ebay can add up to 10% to the cost of selling.

[silverhalide]

How will the film be packaged? In standard camera lengths, 25ft, 100ft, etc. on daylight spools or some other form such as on cores? Will the film be sold as individual spools or in bulk on 400ft spools? Unfortunately using Ebay can add up to 10% to the cost of selling.

Hi,

For R8, I'm having them give me the following:

- R8 25' spools. There will be exactly 27' on each spool, so you won't have to worry about running out of film before the footage counter reads zero. That has happened to me with respooled film and it drives me mad. I've been very clear that I want all spools to have exactly the same amount of film. These will be in taped 25' cans with a label on it.

- R8 100' spools. I'm only getting a handful of these.

- R8 leftover. The rest of the film, about 300', if I recall, will just be on a core. If I want to spool more 25' stateside, I'll send it to someone in CA.

I'm vacillating on 16mm 2R. I like to use 50' mags, and they require 2R (unless you use russian mags, and those are unreliable and prone to causing insanity). Retrocine is taking 1000' of 16mm 2R, which they'll be loading into mags and selling. I haven't decided if I'll order any 100' (actually 104') spools of 16mm 2R in any of the emulsions. Does anyone want 16mm 2R?

The first batch will probably be 50D, and I might have that in two weeks or so.

Cheers!

[Mmechanic]

27' is too little. It should be 32' to 33' on daylight loading spools.

With the 100-ft. portions I expect 106' at the least. Eastman Kodak gives 109', Agfa-Gevaert used to give 108', Ilford (before Harman technology) used to spool on 115'. Fuji Photo Films give 112'.

Foma Bohemia sent me nominal 400-ft. rolls of actual 406½ ft. length, too short for magazine threading. FilmoTec sell their Orwo stocks in net lengths, i. e. 400 feet exactly. This is a very sad trend to not help the cinematographer with loading his camera safely or prevent users from having the full net length, respectively. In the beginning 16-mm. film was sold with perforated paper leader cemented to both ends. That, of course, was to elaborate, so the simpler solution with more stock was chosen.

Please change!

[Will2]

Please change!

I'll be happy with whatever is available, another foot or two would be nice but if it's too late no problem. Maybe make them longer on the next batch if there are complaints.

Bravo for taking the initiative!